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    Suppose someone has Tourette's Syndrome and he has vocal tics consisting of swear words. Does God hold him morally responsible for saying those swear words? I overheard some people at church talking about this and it piqued my curiosity. Some people were saying that since the person with Tourette's Syndrome is speaking those swear words involuntarily, then he can't be held morally responsible for saying those swear words. How would you respond to this?

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    My grandmother, who was a very godly woman all her life, spent her last few months in a nursing home swearing at everybody, to the shock and horror of my younger siblings. I just had to keep reminding them "that's not her".

    I realize that's different from Tourette's Syndrome's coprolalia, but I think, like with my gramma, you have to realize "that's not really that person".
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      My grandmother, who was a very godly woman all her life, spent her last few months in a nursing home swearing at everybody, to the shock and horror of my younger siblings. I just had to keep reminding them "that's not her".

      I realize that's different from Tourette's Syndrome's coprolalia, but I think, like with my gramma, you have to realize "that's not really that person".
      yep. God doesn't hold us responsible for physical or mental problems when people are not in control.

      but is cussing actually a sin? I can see someone being sinful AND cussing, maybe being mean to someone while tossing out cussing and other abuse at them. But what about just using swear words as exclamations? (not taking God in vain ones)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        yep. God doesn't hold us responsible for physical or mental problems when people are not in control.

        but is cussing actually a sin? I can see someone being sinful AND cussing, maybe being mean to someone while tossing out cussing and other abuse at them. But what about just using swear words as exclamations? (not taking God in vain ones)
        It's cultural. In our house, we weren't allowed to say "shut up" - that was "the sh" word, which, in my neighbor's house, was the swear word for poop. We can say poop, but we can't say the 'sh" word, and we can say all kinds of euphemisms for the F word, but.....

        Yeah, that's always puzzled me. I think, for us Christians, anyway, the "biggie" is cursing involving blasphemy...
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          It's cultural. In our house, we weren't allowed to say "shut up" - that was "the sh" word, which, in my neighbor's house, was the swear word for poop. We can say poop, but we can't say the 'sh" word, and we can say all kinds of euphemisms for the F word, but.....

          Yeah, that's always puzzled me. I think, for us Christians, anyway, the "biggie" is cursing involving blasphemy...
          I was sent to the principal's office in 4th grade for saying "darn it"

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            It's cultural. In our house, we weren't allowed to say "shut up" - that was "the sh" word, which, in my neighbor's house, was the swear word for poop. We can say poop, but we can't say the 'sh" word, and we can say all kinds of euphemisms for the F word, but.....

            Yeah, that's always puzzled me. I think, for us Christians, anyway, the "biggie" is cursing involving blasphemy...
            I try not to cuss because it is impolite. I don't particularly think it is a sin, since like you said why would one word for poop be OK and another be a sin?

            Our society considers certain words to be "cusswords" and we are raised to think of them that way too. We even have rules here on TWEB to prevent the use of them here, mostly to keep things civil as possible. Not because we think they are sinful (other than the blasphemous ones of course)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              I was sent to the principal's office in 4th grade for saying "darn it"
              I was sent to the principal's office in 4th grade for making sheep sounds.


              (it wasn't me, it was Jimmy Newton - I was making cow sounds! )


              When the principal asked me if I was making sheep sounds, I honestly told him "no sir". He said, "Mr. Poke, I've never known you to lie - are you telling me you weren't making sheep sounds?" I said "Honest, Mr. Gallagher". He stared at me a minute, and said, "go back to class".
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                yep. God doesn't hold us responsible for physical or mental problems when people are not in control.

                but is cussing actually a sin? I can see someone being sinful AND cussing, maybe being mean to someone while tossing out cussing and other abuse at them. But what about just using swear words as exclamations? (not taking God in vain ones)
                Source: Eph. 5:4 NRSV

                Entirely out of place is obscene, silly, and vulgar talk; but instead, let there be thanksgiving.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  I try not to cuss because it is impolite. I don't particularly think it is a sin, since like you said why would one word for poop be OK and another be a sin?

                  Our society considers certain words to be "cusswords" and we are raised to think of them that way too. We even have rules here on TWEB to prevent the use of them here, mostly to keep things civil as possible. Not because we think they are sinful (other than the blasphemous ones of course)
                  For a long time I was good about not cussing. Back around 2005 I swore in front of my boss and he was shocked noting that he had never heard me swear before (in something like 3 years).

                  Now, unfortunately, partially due to the folks I work with, I swear all too frequently. Something I need to work on.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Source: Eph. 5:4 NRSV

                    Entirely out of place is obscene, silly, and vulgar talk; but instead, let there be thanksgiving.

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                    That doesn't mean that it is a sin but rather improper and "out of place"

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      For a long time I was good about not cussing. Back around 2005 I swore in front of my boss and he was shocked noting that he had never heard me swear before (in something like 3 years).

                      Now, unfortunately, partially due to the folks I work with, I swear all too frequently. Something I need to work on.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        I was sent to the principal's office in 4th grade for making sheep sounds.


                        (it wasn't me, it was Jimmy Newton - I was making cow sounds! )


                        When the principal asked me if I was making sheep sounds, I honestly told him "no sir". He said, "Mr. Poke, I've never known you to lie - are you telling me you weren't making sheep sounds?" I said "Honest, Mr. Gallagher". He stared at me a minute, and said, "go back to class".
                        When the principal heard I was sent to his office for saying "darn it" he rolled his eyes and told me to get back to class.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          For a long time I was good about not cussing. Back around 2005 I swore in front of my boss and he was shocked noting that he had never heard me swear before (in something like 3 years).

                          Now, unfortunately, partially due to the folks I work with, I swear all too frequently. Something I need to work on.
                          In all his 94 years on this planet, I never heard my Dad swear one time - even though, in the 63 years I knew him, I gave him plenty of cause in my teen years. I think he was a good role model, cause I almost never ever swear.

                          Except butt. And poop. And a very rare (and only on Tweb) "jackassery".
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mossrose View Post
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                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              That doesn't mean that it is a sin but rather improper and "out of place"
                              Regardless of how you want to nuance it, it's something that shouldn't be done.

                              See also:

                              Source: Gal 5:19-21 NKJV

                              19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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                              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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