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Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
This forum is primarily for Christians to discuss matters of Christian doctrine, and is not the area for debate between atheists (or those opposing orthodox Christianity) and Christians. Inquiring atheists (or sincere seekers/doubters/unorthodox) seeking only Christian participation and having demonstrated a manner that does not seek to undermine the orthodox Christian faith of others are also welcome, but must seek Moderator permission first. When defining “Christian” or "orthodox" for purposes of this section, we mean persons holding to the core essentials of the historic Christian faith such as the Trinity, the Creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment. Persons not holding to these core doctrines are welcome to participate in the Comparative Religions section without restriction, in Theology 201 as regards to the nature of God and salvation with limited restrictions, and in Christology for issues surrounding the person of Christ and the Trinity. Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 forum without such restrictions.
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Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostIt's hard for me to get past how lame that translation sounds.
Ephesians 5:3-13
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
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And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
If you read the whole chapter, in context it's saying that we shouldn't talk about sexual sins in an approving way, or even in a joking way or neutral way. Instead, we should only talk about them in a condemning way.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAFAIR, "bloody mary" refers to the Queen of England.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hornet View PostIf you say it loudly when you are angry, it sounds like a cuss word. It's better to say something like "That's terrible!" or "That's nonsense!"The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostI tend to use "feather duster."Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMy grandmother, who was a very godly woman all her life, spent her last few months in a nursing home swearing at everybody, to the shock and horror of my younger siblings. I just had to keep reminding them "that's not her".
I realize that's different from Tourette's Syndrome's coprolalia, but I think, like with my gramma, you have to realize "that's not really that person".
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostIt's hard for me to get past how lame that translation sounds.
Ephesians 5:3-13
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
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And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
If you read the whole chapter, in context it's saying that we shouldn't talk about sexual sins in an approving way, or even in a joking way or neutral way. Instead, we should only talk about them in a condemning way.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt's hard for me to get past how terrible your exegesis tends to be, but I manage. That passage is not only about sexual sins.For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by Hornet View PostShe would still be morally responsible for trying to refrain from using those words. Correct? Aren't we responsible for refraining from bad behavior even behavior that does not really reflect who we really are?For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by The Remonstrant View PostAm I responsible for things that are wholly outside my control?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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This same question could be asked about someone with dementia or Alzheimer's.
Is a believer with one of these conditions considered less a believer if they have forgotten anything they knew about God?
I believe that God is in charge of keeping my salvation, not me. And if a medical condition arises that takes away my conscious knowledge of Him, He still knows me.
Don't know much about Tourette's, but it seems to me that if a person has a condition over which they have no control, God doesn't hold that against them.
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Originally posted by The RemonstrantThe context is not narrow enough to be confined solely to sins of a sexual nature; you are correct.
I used to not understand what it meant, or why "jesting" would be condemned, or what exactly "foolish talking" meant. And then I looked at the passage real closely and figured it out.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostThis same question could be asked about someone with dementia or Alzheimer's.
Is a believer with one of these conditions considered less a believer if they have forgotten anything they knew about God?
I believe that God is in charge of keeping my salvation, not me. And if a medical condition arises that takes away my conscious knowledge of Him, He still knows me.
Don't know much about Tourette's, but it seems to me that if a person has a condition over which they have no control, God doesn't hold that against them.
It's also kinda like suicide... people ask, "if they commit suicide, do they go to hell"? And I answer "if they die of cancer, do they go to hell?" I think, in many cases, suicide is a kind of sickness - deep depression, or whatever (I don't pretend to understand it) but I think often it's the result of a sickness.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOK, I'll step in it....
It's also kinda like suicide... people ask, "if they commit suicide, do they go to hell"? And I answer "if they die of cancer, do they go to hell?" I think, in many cases, suicide is a kind of sickness - deep depression, or whatever (I don't pretend to understand it) but I think often it's the result of a sickness.
And so we leave those situations in God's hands. Because only He knows the heart.
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