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  • #46
    Originally posted by mossrose View Post
    I absolutely agree with you on this.

    And so we leave those situations in God's hands. Because only He knows the heart.
    EGGzackly
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      OK, I'll step in it....

      It's also kinda like suicide... people ask, "if they commit suicide, do they go to hell"? And I answer "if they die of cancer, do they go to hell?" I think, in many cases, suicide is a kind of sickness - deep depression, or whatever (I don't pretend to understand it) but I think often it's the result of a sickness.
      Even in sickness, we can turn to or away from God. Suicide and cancer are vastly different things. Where someone ends up is up to God, but taking one's own life is pretty seriously wrong.
      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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      • #48
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Even in sickness, we can turn to or away from God. Suicide and cancer are vastly different things. Where someone ends up is up to God, but taking one's own life is pretty seriously wrong.
        I don't argue that it's seriously wrong, and I don't make that a blanket "gee, that's sad, but ok" -- it would have a whole lot to do with what was going on in their life prior to death. I just don't think it's necessarily a ticket to hell.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #49
          I'll dissent and state that I lean toward thinking profanity is not inherently sinful. I don't think the Ephesians passage is focused so much on specific words as it is the function of language. The context seems to be divisiveness and the health of the congregation. After all, many scholars believe that Paul used profanity in Philippians 3:8 (skubala), but he had a specific rhetorical purpose for his use of this (sort of like the (in)famous Tony Campolo quote).

          Some uses of language are indefensible, such as racial slurs or cursing at people.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #50
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            I'll dissent and state that I lean toward thinking profanity is not inherently sinful. I don't think the Ephesians passage is focused so much on specific words as it is the function of language. The context seems to be divisiveness and the health of the congregation. After all, many scholars believe that Paul used profanity in Philippians 3:8 (skubala), but he had a specific rhetorical purpose for his use of this (sort of like the (in)famous Tony Campolo quote).

            Some uses of language are indefensible, such as racial slurs or cursing at people.
            Been a while, but I heard a story about a preacher who began his sermon....

            "I want to say two things this morning...

            1) Millions of people are dying every day and going to hell
            2) Most of you sitting here this morning don't even give a damn!

            After audible gasps from the audience....

            But the main thing is that most of you are more concerned about the fact that I said damn than that I said millions of people are going to hell.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Been a while, but I heard a story about a preacher who began his sermon....

              "I want to say two things this morning...

              1) Millions of people are dying every day and going to hell
              2) Most of you sitting here this morning don't even give a damn!

              After audible gasps from the audience....

              But the main thing is that most of you are more concerned about the fact that I said damn than that I said millions of people are going to hell.
              That's the Tony Campolo quote I mentioned in my last post, except he said something stronger than "damn", and I think the context was starving children.
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #52
                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                That's the Tony Campolo quote I mentioned in my last post, except he said something stronger than "damn", and I think the context was starving children.
                Oh!
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  I don't argue that it's seriously wrong, and I don't make that a blanket "gee, that's sad, but ok" -- it would have a whole lot to do with what was going on in their life prior to death. I just don't think it's necessarily a ticket to hell.
                  Er, that's why I said it was up to God.
                  Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                  Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    OK, I'll step in it....

                    It's also kinda like suicide... people ask, "if they commit suicide, do they go to hell"? And I answer "if they die of cancer, do they go to hell?" I think, in many cases, suicide is a kind of sickness - deep depression, or whatever (I don't pretend to understand it) but I think often it's the result of a sickness.
                    Where exactly, in Scripture, does the horror of suicide originate? Or is it just something added on?
                    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      My grandmother, who was a very godly woman all her life, spent her last few months in a nursing home swearing at everybody, to the shock and horror of my younger siblings. I just had to keep reminding them "that's not her".

                      I realize that's different from Tourette's Syndrome's coprolalia, but I think, like with my gramma, you have to realize "that's not really that person[.]"
                      Originally posted by Hornet View Post
                      She would still be morally responsible for trying to refrain from using those words. Correct? Aren't we responsible for refraining from bad behavior even behavior that does not really reflect who we really are?
                      Originally posted by The Remonstrant View Post
                      Am I responsible for things that are wholly outside my control?
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      You are responsible for how you react to them.
                      Does this not assume that I am not radically mentally impaired or ill in some way? If, for example, I am extremely mentally ill, would you consider me to be responsible for (re)acting in ways that are not befitting a reasonably sane person?
                      For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by The Remonstrant View Post
                        Does this not assume that I am not radically mentally impaired or ill in some way? If, for example, I am extremely mentally ill, would you consider me to be responsible for (re)acting in ways that are not befitting a reasonably sane person?
                        wow
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                          Where exactly, in Scripture, does the horror of suicide originate? Or is it just something added on?
                          To my knowledge, it came with the Catholic church - that since this is a final act, there's no way to go to confession to deal with it. That's what I've been told by a couple of Catholic priests, but they didn't sound particularly invested in that.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            Er, that's why I said it was up to God.
                            It is, indeed.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              wow
                              For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                                Where exactly, in Scripture, does the horror of suicide originate? Or is it just something added on?
                                Suicide is self-murder. In scripture, murder is rather obviously wrong. While 1 John 1:9 is most obviously going to be cited by those traditions which practice confession to a priest, I'm fairly certain that even Protestants would be hesitant about the salvation of an unrepentant murderer, and Protestants tend to insist that repentance must occur before death.
                                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                                Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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