State (or Public) Schools vs Private Schools

[Jin-Roh]

I made the mistake of talking about the politics of eduction with my mom. I just got a big lecture on how public schools aren't that bad. I think she's slightly stressed out and caffienated.

Anyway, If I have children, I don't think that they'll be attending state schools. Even if they do, it won't be until around high school.

Any thoughts from anyone?

[Patroclus]

The state schools are pretty bad. However, is it possible to stunt a child's cognitive development by isolating them during certain formative years?

[Alden]

i think that he might be leaning toward private than homeschool.

[Captain Ochre]

Depends on the kids, and it depends on the schools. Kids who know how to think around the public school indoctrination are going to be okay, and they have an opportunity to influence their classmates--and possibly the school itself.
Frequently home-schooling is simply the better educational option.
Past high school, I agree with Francis Schaeffer: All mature Christian young adults should be going to "secular" (I can't tell you how I despise that word! Let's get rid of it!) colleges and universities--and turning them upside-down (or "righting" them, as the case may be). That is, unless they're going for seminary training.

[Socrates]

Patroclus:

• The state schools are pretty bad.

Yeah, because they teach the religion of humanism, de fact. I really couldn't see Moses enouraging the Israelite parents to send their kids to Canaanite schools.

• However, is it possible to stunt a child's cognitive development by isolating them during certain formative years?

Yes. And it's possible to stunt the child by not being isolated from bullies and peer pressure. And it's possible to stunt a child's development by forcing the child into rigidly age-segregated herds. Conversely, home-schooled kids have a good chance to mix with people of all ages, a far better training for the real world. The home-schooled kids I know are kids you can have a sensible conversation with.

[John Reece]

The home-schooled kids I know are kids you can have a sensible conversation with.

Both of my daughters home-school their children (7 so far - the oldest starts college this year).

They are so mature for their ages, so emotionally healthy, so delightful in interpersonal relationships - with people of all ages, infants, peers, the elderly.

[GrayPilgrim]

03-07-2003 @ 02:42 AM
Captain Ochre:

That is, unless they're going for seminary training.

As a product of secular schools, who has seminary training I would heartily encourage going to secular schools for college. Although I wish I had not been forced to sit through so much boredom growing up.

GP

[Captain Ochre]

03-07-2003 @ 02:21 PM
GrayPilgrim:



As a product of secular schools, who has seminary training I would heartily encourage going to secular schools for college. Although I wish I had not been forced to sit through so much boredom growing up.

GP

Indeed, I wasn't as clear on that point as I should have been. I simply meant that good seminary training is hard to come by in a secular school.

[GrayPilgrim]

Ahh..I see yeah my undergrad was at Texas A&M and Ohio State. I majored in Hebrew so I had a Christian professor (who has a ThM from Dallas and his PhD from Harvard)and a number of Reformed Jews. But my MDiv is from Trinity Evangelical Divintiy School, so yeah, you can't go to a secular school and get good seminary education.

GP

[Jin-Roh]

Past high school, I agree with Francis Schaeffer: All mature Christian young adults should be going to "secular" (I can't tell you how I despise that word! Let's get rid of it!) colleges and universities--and turning them upside-down (or "righting" them, as the case may be). That is, unless they're going for seminary training.

I can only half-way agree with statement. Its a little to black and white --like saying Christian doctors should be medical missionaries or something like that. I've been in the state system since grade school and its my intention to get into a Christian university or college. No, I am not going to do seminary training although I might major in Theology. If I do wind up at UC, you can bet that there will be people you are bothered ("He's one of them!!") by my convictions though.

Of course, I can see the reasons why Schaeffer would feel that way, we do need Christians on secular campus's, exactly where are we to "frustrate the wisdom of the wise" than a state college?

[Cherith]

Socrates: "I really couldn't see Moses enouraging the Israelite parents to send their kids to Canaanite schools."

He didn't have to "encourage" them, they interrmarried enough with the worldly populations enough that (for all intents and purposes) their gods were one and the same!

GrayPilgrim: "I had a Christian professor (who has a ThM from Dallas and his PhD from Harvard)and a number of Reformed Jews. But my MDiv is from Trinity Evangelical Divintiy School..."

Ah... So, now we know...

1) Your professor was probably a Dallas dispy.
2) Your Jewish professors undoubtably slipped in their Talmudic Judaism.
3) You attented a Divinity School that wouldn't deal with the nature of the Resurrection - an essential doctrine of Christianity.

As for this issue, as a homeschooling family I would readily praise that movement and add my dittos to John Reece's statement. Homeschooling is not hard and offers tremendous rewards - both academically and interpersonally.

Adieu,
--C

See, I can ad hom like the rest! :brow:

[GrayPilgrim]

03-08-2003 @ 04:40 PM
Cherith:

Ah... So, now we know...

1) Your professor was probably a Dallas dispy.
2) Your Jewish professors undoubtably slipped in their Talmudic Judaism.
3) You attented a Divinity School that wouldn't deal with the nature of the Resurrection - an essential doctrine of Christianity.

Adieu,
--C

:brow:

1) Nope He weren't no dispy--
2) Talmudic Judaism may be silly and may be what my profs believed, but that has nothing to do with anything.
3) What the shamalamadingdong are you talking about?

So your ad hominem has little to do with anything.

[Epoetker]

Your Jewish professors undoubtably slipped in their Talmudic Judaism.

Call me crazy and unobservant, but generally I've found Reform Jews to be indistinguishable from liberal secularists. If they were Orthodox or Conservative, this accusation might have some merit, but this is just ludicrous suspicion of all-consuming viral yarmulkism. In making every instance of Jewishness a platform for your anti-Semitic crusade, you could at least accuse them EVIL NASTY JEWS of something closer to what they might actually believe (For instance, "Those Jews probably infected you with their accursed pinko-Commie-socialist economic tripe! Nothing you say has any merit!")

Get OFF the Jew-bashing bandwagon already.

[Cherith]

Gray,

The arch-heretic Dr. Murray HARRIS denied inerrancy while at TEDS and wrote several books denying the nature of the resurrection. Dr. Norm Geisler and Dr. Robert Culver both went to the board and eventually wrote books detailing his heresies and what went on behind the scenes to no avail. Not only was HARRIS allowed to stay on, but I believe he was granted tenure as well.

I have GEISLER and CULVER's books on the subject if you are interested...?

BTW, I attended an Evangelical-Free church for 3 yrs or so and really enjoyed it while I was there, but the head guy was a Calvinist and when he moved out of state the Arminian viewpoint gained more and more ground... (For those who don't know, Charles SWINDOLL is their patron saint. )

--C

BTW, I was just trying to show you guys how easy it is to jump to conclusions and label people without having to deal with the subject matter at hand. I see it worked.

:::going back to my little corner, now:::

[GrayPilgrim]

Harris was long gone by the time I got to TEDS. Never heard of Culver and not to fond of Geisler.

I attend an EFCA church right now where the apstor is a Calvinist and most people coming out of TEDS are as well, ask Jaltus he feels like a duck out of water being and Arminian, Osborne is the token Arminian. They hired Graham Cole to be a Wesleyan as well but from my one class with him last year its hardto call him Wesleyan.

GP