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  • Just thought I'd bump this to note that here we've been having a record-breakingly hot summer in New Zealand. The ocean temperatures in a wide area have been hugely warmer than normal for the past couple of months.

    Two months ago: Why record sea surface temperatures are going 'off the chart':

    Near-record sea surface temperatures are being described as "off the charts" - and New Zealand could be on track for another record year, [the National Institute of Water and Atmosphere] says.

    A La Nina pattern and higher than normal atmospheric pressure are warming sea surface temperatures by more than 6 degrees Celsius [11 degrees Fahrenheit] in some areas, compared to the average for this time of year, bringing warm weather to New Zealand...



    Yesterday:

    The #marineheatwave has reached a secondary peak -- the max [Sea Surface Temperature] anomaly in the Tasman Sea is now 7.4°C!

    A +7C (~13F) degree sea surface temperature departure is enormous, and represents a big ocean heat content anomaly. Specific heat of water >4x higher than air, so it's much more impressive to see values this high during marine heat wave vs. terrestrial one.


    As a result, the land temperatures have been record-breakingly hot as well: Hottest January since records began in five New Zealand cities.
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    • And my part of the world is averaging 10 degrees colder compared to last year, which was colder on average than the year before.

      It's just the weather, man.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Just thought I'd bump this to note that here we've been having a record-breakingly hot summer in New Zealand. The ocean temperatures in a wide area have been hugely warmer than normal for the past couple of months.

        Two months ago: Why record sea surface temperatures are going 'off the chart':

        Near-record sea surface temperatures are being described as "off the charts" - and New Zealand could be on track for another record year, [the National Institute of Water and Atmosphere] says.

        A La Nina pattern and higher than normal atmospheric pressure are warming sea surface temperatures by more than 6 degrees Celsius [11 degrees Fahrenheit] in some areas, compared to the average for this time of year, bringing warm weather to New Zealand...



        Yesterday:

        The #marineheatwave has reached a secondary peak -- the max [Sea Surface Temperature] anomaly in the Tasman Sea is now 7.4°C!

        A +7C (~13F) degree sea surface temperature departure is enormous, and represents a big ocean heat content anomaly. Specific heat of water >4x higher than air, so it's much more impressive to see values this high during marine heat wave vs. terrestrial one.


        As a result, the land temperatures have been record-breakingly hot as well: Hottest January since records began in five New Zealand cities.


        So I suppose this proves Global Warming?

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          So I suppose this proves Global Warming?
          No. this is local data for one region and one time period. Global warming is proven by looking at the global temperature average over an extended period of time (decades) and noting that it is increasing.
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          • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
            No. this is local data for one region and one time period. Global warming is proven by looking at the global temperature average over an extended period of time (decades) and noting that it is increasing.
            I was asking Starlight.

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              I was asking Starlight.
              Party pooper...
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

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              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                So I suppose this proves Global Warming?
                It's an anecdote that counters the anecdotes being given by others in this thread. It's a reminder that just because their part of the world is cold, that this doesn't mean others aren't hot. It's been amusing for me - experiencing record hot temperatures - to see people in this thread claiming their part of the world being cold disproves global warming.

                Because obviously when we consider climate change we need to look at the world as a whole over a period of months and years. Here is the world over the past couple of months:



                Obviously it has been colder than usual in the east coast of the US, but it has been much hotter than usual elsewhere (including Europe, contrary to the thread title).

                Looking at the yearly summary for 2017 released 2 weeks ago by NOAA:
                For the globe, 2017 was the third warmest year on record and the warmest year without an El Niño present:

                The globally averaged temperature over land and ocean surfaces for 2017 was the third highest since record keeping began in 1880, according to NOAA scientists...

                In a separate analysis of global temperature data, released today, NASA scientists ranked 2017 to be the second warmest on record, behind the record year 2016. The minor difference in rankings is due to the different methods used by the two agencies to analyze global temperatures, although over the long-term the agencies' records remain in strong agreement. Both analyses show that the five warmest years on record all have taken place since 2010. Analyses from the United Kingdom Met Office and the World Meteorological Organization... also ranked 2017 among the top three warmest years on record.

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                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  And my part of the world is averaging 10 degrees colder compared to last year, which was colder on average than the year before.
                  The bitter cold and snowy conditions that gripped the US are an example of precisely the sort of extreme winter weather to be expected because of climate change. Climate change results in extreme weather events of all types.

                  It's just the weather, man.
                  ...and if you're wrong? Most climatologists think you are.
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                  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    The bitter cold and snowy conditions that gripped the US are an example of precisely the sort of extreme winter weather to be expected because of climate change. Climate change results in extreme weather events of all types.

                    ...and if you're wrong? Most climatologists think you are.
                    The problem with the statement "global warming predicts this" is that it sounds like you are saying, "thus this is evidence for global warming." It's not. Extreme weather occurs in all global climate models I know of: warming, cooling, and stasis. That's what was being said earlier is a "tails I win, heads you lose" argument. It would be better to continually note that these events are consistent with a warming planet when someone tries to use them to disprove global warming, but they do not prove anything about climate change.

                    Global climate change is proven, AFAIK, by only one thing: a trend of increase in global average temperature over a period measured in years or decades. Since we know that CO2 increase is a factor in this increase, one thing proves that this warming is human-impacted (i.e., the so called AGW): evidence that humans are contributing a significant percentage of the total CO2 increase in our water and atmosphere. The evidence for both is readily available and, IMO, unequivocal.

                    Because of that, the only true attack on this conclusion is to call into question the underlying data and deny it is valid. That has been a key approach used by the fossil fuels industry, which stands to be greatly impacted if the world moves forward with its intent to reduce and eventually eliminate the need for these fuel sources.
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • NOAA has, once again, been caught red-handed manipulating the data to downplay the recent cold weather, in this case adjusting temperatures by an astonishing 3.1F! As is usual, they "adjust" past temperatures down and recent temperatures up.

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                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • History of data tampering:

                        https://realclimatescience.com/histo...re-corruption/
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          I don't do this often, but this one definitely deserved an

                          It continues to amaze me just how much you are subject to conspiracy theories.
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                            I don't do this often, but this one definitely deserved an

                            It continues to amaze me just how much you are subject to conspiracy theories.
                            It continues to amaze how you can roll your eyes when the facts are staring you in the face.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              It continues to amaze how you can roll your eyes when the facts are staring you in the face.
                              They're not facts, MM. They're conspiracy theories. And this is about as much attention as they are worth.
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                They're not facts, MM. They're conspiracy theories. And this is about as much attention as they are worth.
                                All this tells me is that you obviously didn't read the article.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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