Record Cold, US and Europe: Global Warming?

[Cow Poke]

I'll probably get dogpiled again on this and leave at some point. I gotta get in a few words though.

I get your point, Leon. I was being somewhat facetious. Perception being reality, and all that, it'd be a lot easier for people to buy into global warming if we hadn't been horribly scarred for life by those "coming ice age" threats.

AND, it would be easier if it hadn't been billed first as "global warming" before changing to "climate change".

[Leonhard]

I get your point, Leon. I was being somewhat facetious. Perception being reality, and all that, it'd be a lot easier for people to buy into global warming if we hadn't been horribly scarred for life by those "coming ice age" threats.

AND, it would be easier if it hadn't been billed first as "global warming" before changing to "climate change".

I prefer Global Warming as well. Climate change is a bit more general. I mean that's any kind of change right?

[Cow Poke]

I prefer Global Warming as well. Climate change is a bit more general. I mean that's any kind of change right?

Like we say in Texas - if you don't like the weather - wait a few minutes - it will change.

(though, more than 90% of the time, it's going to be more than 90 degrees with more than 90% humidity. )

[Starlight]

My understanding of the climate change thesis is that it makes two main predictions:
1) Average global temperatures will rise over time
2) There will be more extreme weather events

Obviously a temporary cold snap in one or two areas doesn't speak to #1 (because #1 is about long-term global averages not temporary localised events), but it seems consistent with #2.

[Cow Poke]

I prefer Global Warming as well. Climate change is a bit more general. I mean that's any kind of change right?

On a more serious note, I think Al Gore did great harm to the cause with his goofus "documentaries" and dramaqueen prophecies of doom and gloom.

[Cow Poke]

My understanding of the climate change thesis is that it makes two main predictions:
1) Average global temperatures will rise over time
2) There will be more extreme weather events

Obviously a temporary cold snap in one or two areas doesn't speak to #1 (because #1 is about long-term global averages not temporary localised events), but it seems consistent with #2.

Yes, it makes total sense that an average increase in global temperature would cause record extreme bitter cold.

[Psychic Missile]

My understanding of the climate change thesis is that it makes two main predictions:
1) Average global temperatures will rise over time
2) There will be more extreme weather events

Obviously a temporary cold snap in one or two areas doesn't speak to #1 (because #1 is about long-term global averages not temporary localised events), but it seems consistent with #2.

Conveniently Seer has forgotten the record heat during our recent summers.

[Mountain Man]

The US is not the entire world Mountain Man.

I never said it was.

So is there a single prediction that global warming would lead to record cold temperatures throughout the world?

[Leonhard]

I never said it was.

So is there a single prediction that global warming would lead to record cold temperatures throughout the world?

Over time? Next year? Tomorrow?

I haven't seen any predictions of a worldwide record breaking winter? Then again its been a while since I've plowed the IPCC record. That thing is a monument in size.

[Cow Poke]

I never said it was.

So is there a single prediction that global warming would lead to record cold temperatures throughout the world?

I saw something in USAToday that attempted to explain this as less polar ice, therefore temperature transfer to the atmosphere is easier, and containing those arctic winds to keep them from wandering south allows for distribution of this cold......

or something like that. I'll look to see where I got that.

ETA: Here

Note, I'm not claiming that answers your question.

[Leonhard]

On a more serious note, I think Al Gore did great harm to the cause with his goofus "documentaries" and dramaqueen prophecies of doom and gloom.

I agree, he should have stuck to more conservative estimates. Instead he talked about the ice on the Himalayas being gone by ... can't remember when now, and was wrong. However I still don't think it excuses people, but I can understand if he desensitised them to it.

In general I'm against hysterical headlines in newspapers. Anything is either a breakthrough that will change everything (even though 98% of those initial reports turn out to be deadends) or its a catastrophe looming. I think its turning people of.

[Mountain Man]

My understanding of the climate change thesis is that it makes two main predictions:
1) Average global temperatures will rise over time
2) There will be more extreme weather events

Obviously a temporary cold snap in one or two areas doesn't speak to #1 (because #1 is about long-term global averages not temporary localised events), but it seems consistent with #2.

"Extreme weather"? What a useless measure. "Extreme" compared to what? What's the baseline? Saying that any "extreme" event supports the global warming hypothesis is self-evidently absurd. Where are all the predictions of colder and snowier winters? Or for record amounts of ice on the South Pole? Nobody was predicting that because it's exactly the opposite of what you'd naturally expect if the planet was warming.

[Mountain Man]

I saw something in USAToday that attempted to explain this as less polar ice, therefore temperature transfer to the atmosphere is easier, and containing those arctic winds to keep them from wandering south allows for distribution of this cold......

or something like that. I'll look to see where I got that.

ETA: Here

Note, I'm not claiming that answers your question.

Except Antarctic sea ice is at record levels.

And anyway, that's all just an attempt to explain away the cold weather after the fact. I want to see a prediction before the fact! Which scientist was predicting that global warming would cause record cold?

[Leonhard]

I'm still trying to find where it says that the global temperature was record low?

[Juvenal]

The liberal mantra is ...

And yet liberal alarmists ...

If science is liberal, then reality has a liberal bias.