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      Re: Re: Robert Jordan

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      Has Jordan gotten around to deciding what his plot is going to be yet? (That's Jordan, not djnoz, being hammered, BTW.) If he ever winds his way around enough to come up with a way of ending that durn thing, I might get the last few books and go through the whole thing to see if it makes any better sense that way, but after reading the first eight I've decided that what he really wanted to do was create the world's first grand fantasy soap opera, with no overriding plan or goal in sight.

      Sorry if I've trod on toes (yours or others) with that--and just because I don't like it is no reason why you can't enjoy it--but I started that series with such high hopes that when disappointment set in, it set in hard.

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      He has declared that he will rapthings up with book 12, so you might want to wait so that you can just zoom through the last 12.
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      Has Jordan gotten around to deciding what his plot is going to be yet? (That's Jordan, not djnoz, being hammered, BTW.) If he ever winds his way around enough to come up with a way of ending that durn thing, I might get the last few books and go through the whole thing to see if it makes any better sense that way, but after reading the first eight I've decided that what he really wanted to do was create the world's first grand fantasy soap opera, with no overriding plan or goal in sight.
      lol @ curt - I've been there.

      He has declared that he will rapthings up with book 12, so you might want to wait so that you can just zoom through the last 12.
      If you read the biography in each book, at the end it says:

      'He(Robert Jordan) has been writing since 1977 and intends to continue until they nail shut his coffin.'
      So don't hold your breath!

      I actually gave up half way through the sixth book and so this is my second time round, starting right at the beginning. Once you start reading though, you can't stop. RJ's world is very absorbing -despite the constant Aes Sedai soap opera-ness of it. Those bits can get very tedious - before I gave up I was mostly reading the Salidar bit, which wasn't very interesting to say the least.

      Having slammed the guy a bit, I uphold him for his excellent detail - the world that Jordan builds up with the series is very memorable and atmospheric, if a little clichéd ...
      Another thing I like about the series is the realistic HUMAN characters - there are no pure good or evil characters. Moiraine is a leader and role model but with a hidden agenda and a bad temper.
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      Today @ 05:52 AM djnoz:
      Having slammed the guy a bit, I uphold him for his excellent detail - the world that Jordan builds up with the series is very memorable and atmospheric, if a little clichéd ...
      Another thing I like about the series is the realistic HUMAN characters - there are no pure good or evil characters. Moiraine is a leader and role model but with a hidden agenda and a bad temper.
      I'll give you all of that--those are also the qualities that I enjoyed in the first few volumes. But what really began to grate on me as time-and-a-half went along, was that the main characters--Rand and his gang from the initial village--never seem to grow up. By volume 8, they're still screwing around and getting in each other's way because they can't seem to get away from the fact that they've known each other since they were kids, and obviously still think of each other as kids. Whatzername, the village healer, is especially bad at that. But real people who after all are growing up with each other, are actually more likely to treat each other as adults long before they really are, rather than always trying to "mother hen" their supposed best friends. Rand's always on about how he has to do everything by himself because his friends can't handle it, or can't handle the knowledge, or whatever. As I say, grating in the extreme.

      Anyway, as I say, that's only one man's opinion.

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      Nyneve is nowhere near as bad as Egwene, I just want some one to bump her off or maybe a little Balefire!
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      Nynaeve is a superb character. I love her, as I love Moiraine. Poor Moiraine :cry:
      If Moiraine is bad, why not just kill all the Aes Sedai eh?
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      To clarify, I've grown to like Nyneve. I cannot stand Egwene I think that she has turned into the consumate spoiled brat. I miss Moiraine!
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      Just making the rounds and thought I would comment on what books I'm currently reading. Working on two projects (while reading some Spider-Man and Daredevil comics in the middle )
      1. Three Views on the Millennium and Beyond (Various Authors)
      2. Infant Baptism in the Covenant of Grace by Paul Jewett.

      My two pet projects being trying to develop an eschatological position and become more familiar with covenant theology in a credobaptist perspective. (I'm a Reformed Baptist)

      Just my $.04 (.02 adjusted for inflation). Very cool message board.

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      Thanks and welcome to the board
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      Thankee

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      OOH! I just got my Hebrew Bible in today! Now I will attempt to read it.
      "I believe that many who find that 'nothing happens' when they sit down, or kneel down, to a book of devotion, would find that the heart sings unbidden while they are working their way through a tough bit of theology with a pipe in their teeth and a pencil in their hand."
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      'organizing an american conscience: CSPR, 1940-1968', fred beuttler.

      and occasionally the yamaha rs7000 owner's manual.
      Each man's knowledge is genuine to the extent that it is confirmed by gentleness, humility, and love. - st. mark the ascetic.

      You move from fear to religious devotion, from which springs spiritual knowledge; from this knowledge comes judgment, that is, discrimination; from discrimination comes the strength that leads to understanding; from thence you come to wisdom. - st. peter of damaskos

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