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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Assuming that God will take care of any problems with Jesus's timely return sounds to me like putting God to the test. Yeah, God won't let humanity go extinct before Jesus returns, but that doesn't mean we won't have to deal with the consequences of our actions.

    How is it putting God to the test? He's said He will make a new heaven and earth and the old will be done away with.

    It's just reading His word and believing what He says.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    How is it putting God to the test? He's said He will make a new heaven and earth and the old will be done away with.

    It's just reading His word and believing what He says.
    The idea that God will bail us out so we don't need to worry about the earthly consequences of our actions certainly qualifies.
    For what was given to everyone for the use of all, you have taken for your exclusive use. The earth belongs not to the rich, but to everyone. - Ambrose, 4th century AD

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    The idea that God will bail us out so we don't need to worry about the earthly consequences of our actions certainly qualifies.
    Who said that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Who said that?
    It's implied by the mindset of the people quoted by me and CP earlier in this thread.
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    Ok then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    To answer your question about Christians: In high school, my youth group leader said something to the effect of taking care of the environment didn't matter because Jesus would come back before it got too bad. Chiliastic viewpoints are probably one big reason.
    Didn't you read the verses that taught us to take care of the earth until we got close to the end?
    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    Didn't you read the verses that taught us to take care of the earth until we got close to the end?
    You mean when God destroys the earth?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    The thing that surprises me is that protecting the environment should be something that cuts across ideological/cultural/ethical lines. From the perspective of a conservative, not trashing the place is conservative. From a liberal perspective, the poor are typically hit hardest by environmental degradation. From a market fan's perspective, pollution lowers the value of air, water, and land for everyone, and so represents a market failure. There are a large number of ethical and moral issues tied up in all of the above.

    So this should be something we've come together on. Yet, since the Carter years, we've pretty much failed (at least in the US). It's rather depressing.

  9. Amen Jedidiah, Duragizer, stfoskey15 amen'd this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLurch View Post
    The thing that surprises me is that protecting the environment should be something that cuts across ideological/cultural/ethical lines. From the perspective of a conservative, not trashing the place is conservative.
    Absolutely agreed.

    From a liberal perspective, the poor are typically hit hardest by environmental degradation. From a market fan's perspective, pollution lowers the value of air, water, and land for everyone, and so represents a market failure. There are a large number of ethical and moral issues tied up in all of the above.

    So this should be something we've come together on. Yet, since the Carter years, we've pretty much failed (at least in the US). It's rather depressing.
    Personally, I think because there's a perception (right or wrong) that the regulators go way overboard, and use "the environment" to land grab and control. And, since you mentioned Carter, the snail darter controversy comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Absolutely agreed.



    Personally, I think because there's a perception (right or wrong) that the regulators go way overboard, and use "the environment" to land grab and control. And, since you mentioned Carter, the snail darter controversy comes to mind.
    yeah using "saving the environment" as a club to force through pet projects and legislation.

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