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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    yeah using "saving the environment" as a club to force through pet projects and legislation.
    It's kind of like the whole "pay taxes" issue to help poor people -- I help them because I want to, not because I'm forced by the government to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It's kind of like the whole "pay taxes" issue to help poor people -- I help them because I want to, not because I'm forced by the government to.
    Well, that's just a "downside" of living in a democratic society. All of us see our taxes used in ways we'd prefer they weren't, along with various ways we're pleased they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    We made way too many messes and were mean to each other and to the "pets". Why did we do this? Why were some Christians in the past terrible stewards of God's creation? I think the environmentalists might go a little far, but they do have a point in that we should take care of our resources in a responsible manner. And not be needlessly mean to other people and animals.
    I agree. There have been cultural mindsets in the past that were part of the European Christian culture that were very abusive of the environment and the native peoples of various newly discovered countries. But I think it would be a mistake to blame Christianity itself for those issues. It's more a matter of a failure of those that were Christians at the time to allow God to direct their understanding in these areas away from what was part of their overarching cultural lattice and toward what Christ and the Bible actally teach.

    It is very hard sometimes to disconnect from the culture in which we are embedded. Perhaps even more so if that culture call's itself a "Christian Culture" and in many ways has laws and conventions based at least in part on Christ's teachings.


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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    No. The human species as a whole! Because the human species as a whole was supposed to take care of things. That's what Adam was told anyways. There weren't any Christians back when a lot of animals were eaten into extinction.
    Mauritian tortoises.
    I do wonder whether there were any "Christians" that supported practices of poor stewardship. I have no clue if that happened or not. I really don't like that some people could claim to be Christians and then not act like it.
    It happened. Many species have been driven to extinction following settlement by Christian invaders with weapons and pets, including the passenger pigeon, various island tortoises, Tasmanian tigers, various wallabies, large sea cows, various Caribbean rodents, island wrens and Falkland wolves.

    The Christian beliefs that no species had ever gone extinct, that animals exist for the use of man, and that it doesn't matter what we do because Jesus is returning soon are all partly to blame.
    Mountain Man: A skin cell is a skin cell. It doesn't grow, it doesn't organize, it doesn't adapt, it doesn't self-sustain, it doesn't metabolize, it doesn't respond to stimuli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Mauritian tortoises.It happened. Many species have been driven to extinction following settlement by Christian invaders with weapons and pets, including the passenger pigeon, various island tortoises, Tasmanian tigers, various wallabies, large sea cows, various Caribbean rodents, island wrens and Falkland wolves.

    The Christian beliefs that no species had ever gone extinct, that animals exist for the use of man, and that it doesn't matter what we do because Jesus is returning soon are all partly to blame.
    It's a human problem, not a problem with Christianity. I heard that people didn't know they were eating too many passenger pigeons until it was too late. And I was referring to ancient megafauna like woolly mammoths and giant sloths.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Mauritian tortoises.It happened. Many species have been driven to extinction following settlement by Christian invaders with weapons and pets, including the passenger pigeon, various island tortoises, Tasmanian tigers, various wallabies, large sea cows, various Caribbean rodents, island wrens and Falkland wolves.

    The Christian beliefs that no species had ever gone extinct, that animals exist for the use of man, and that it doesn't matter what we do because Jesus is returning soon are all partly to blame.
    The highlighted elements are not 'Christian' beliefs. In fact, if anything they are contrary to Christ's teachings and the Bible's teachings. One of the fundamental pieces of Christian thought that often gets overlooked in the Conservative Christian world is that WE, all of us, are sinful beings, selfish beings, and that to follow Christ means to DIE to those elements as much as possible, and that sin itself, our selfish desires and wants, are DECEITFUL. That is, that we end up following them at least half the time even when we are trying not to! What I have highlighted boils down to nothing more than religious arrogance of the sort Jesus preached against to the point it was the major contributing factor in motivating the religious leaders of His time to seek His elimination(crucifixion).

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

  10. Amen Jedidiah amen'd this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    The highlighted elements are not 'Christian' beliefs.
    They are beliefs held by some Christians (and only by Christians), based solely on their religion. Just as animals that live in Australia (and only in Australia), that evolved in Australia and cannot survive elsewhere, are Australian animals.

    It doesn't matter whether beliefs are contrary to the Bible, contrary to Jesus's teachings, or contrary to the views of the majority of Christians; if beliefs are held only by Christians and are based so clearly in religion that they would never be held by non-Christians, then those beliefs are Christian beliefs.
    Mountain Man: A skin cell is a skin cell. It doesn't grow, it doesn't organize, it doesn't adapt, it doesn't self-sustain, it doesn't metabolize, it doesn't respond to stimuli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    They are beliefs held by some Christians (and only by Christians), based solely on their religion. Just as animals that live in Australia (and only in Australia), that evolved in Australia and cannot survive elsewhere, are Australian animals.

    It doesn't matter whether beliefs are contrary to the Bible, contrary to Jesus's teachings, or contrary to the views of the majority of Christians; if beliefs are held only by Christians and are based so clearly in religion that they would never be held by non-Christians, then those beliefs are Christian beliefs.
    Idiots that claim to be Christians. Being a terrible steward isn't being a good Christian. And I need sources that those explorers were indeed Christians and not merely pew warmers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    They are beliefs held by some Christians (and only by Christians), based solely on their religion. Just as animals that live in Australia (and only in Australia), that evolved in Australia and cannot survive elsewhere, are Australian animals.

    It doesn't matter whether beliefs are contrary to the Bible, contrary to Jesus's teachings, or contrary to the views of the majority of Christians; if beliefs are held only by Christians and are based so clearly in religion that they would never be held by non-Christians, then those beliefs are Christian beliefs.
    Animals that live in Australia cannot survive elsewhere? Say WHAT?

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Animals that live in Australia cannot survive elsewhere? Say WHAT?
    Put a kangaroo in Antarctica and see how long it lasts!!!

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