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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostMM, it is beneath you to pass on false stories. In the interview you cite, Obama was not making a reference to having a Muslim faith, he was noting McCain was NOT pushing forward the rumor that he had a Muslim faith. The various ways the right has edited his statements to make this claim can be found here: https://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/tr...ng-room-floor/
The text of the original interview can be found here: https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp
Except Stephanopoulos knew what Obama was trying to say and immediately corrected him: "You mean your Christan faith?"
Of course Snopes cut that part of the transcript.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSnopes...
Except Stephanopoulos knew what Obama was trying to say and immediately corrected him: "You mean your Christan faith?"
Of course Snopes cut that part of the transcript.
I figured you would probably dismiss Snopes - but the text of the interview is accurate (based on videos available online). I also find it interesting that most of the versions of it posted on Youtube that are from right-leaning sources cut the interview off right after the correction, whereas those from left-leaning sources let it play out to his comments after the "correction."
The right is pushing forward a conspiracy theory with this one. They should know better. Creatively editing a soundbite to push a conspiracy theory is simply unethical.Last edited by carpedm9587; 01-20-2018, 10:30 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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And anybody who takes an honest look at these lists will recognize pretty quickly that overwhelming majority of them are not actually lies. The "fact checkers" take pretty much anything Trump says and give it some twist in order to call it a lie, but the vast majority of them are differences of opinion, or they simply disagree with something Trump said, or they don't think Trump will be able to fulfill a promise, or they interpret a piece of data differently, or they call it a lie when Trump uses hyperbole or rounds a dollar figure. It's all pretty silly. If that's the standard for lying then any one of us tell countless "lies" every single day.Last edited by Mountain Man; 01-20-2018, 10:42 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostActually - that part of the transcript is further below - if you had kept reading. As for the "correction," the video (when played out) shows it was the correction that threw Obama. The interviewer cut him off before he could finish his sentence. Obama clarified in the next sentences.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's clear from the context what Obama was trying to say, and Stephanopoulos knew Obama had slipped up in a major way and jumped in to give him cover.
The words "my Muslim faith" were clearly intended to be understood with mental quote marks around them. Honestly, it seems peculiar that anyone could watch or read the interview and come away with any other opinion.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostConsidering that "WaPo" has promulgated some of the biggest lies about Trump over the past years, they're not a particularly credible source.
And anybody who takes an honest look at these lists will recognize pretty quickly that overwhelming majority of them are not actually lies. The "fact checkers" take pretty much anything Trump says and give it some twist in order to call it a lie, but the vast majority of them are differences of opinion, or they simply disagree with something Trump said, or they don't think Trump will be able to fulfill a promise, or they interpret a piece of data differently, or they call it a lie when Trump uses hyperbole or rounds a dollar figure. It's all pretty silly. If that's the standard for lying then any one of us tell countless "lies" every single day.
That said, Trump, just like Obama before him, does play fast and loose with the facts
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's clear from the context what Obama was trying to say, and Stephanopoulos knew Obama had slipped up in a major way and jumped in to give him cover.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWow - talk about selective interpretation. You really DO see what you want to see, MM...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat knife cuts both ways, my friend.
Or many others. Sorry, MM. I thought more of you, but your susceptibility to conspiracy theories that align with your worldview is...well...pretty obvious.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI'd like clarification on something. Mountain Man, are you saying that Obama is a secret Muslim? And if you are not advancing that claim, what is your point supposed to be?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's clear from the context what Obama was trying to say, and Stephanopoulos knew Obama had slipped up in a major way and jumped in to give him cover.
"Full Quote — Obama: You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith and you’re absolutely right that that has not …
Stephanopoulos (interrupting): Your Christian faith.
Obama: My Christian faith. Well, what I’m saying …
Stephanopoulos (interrupting): Connections, right.
Obama (continuing) is that he hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim, and I think that his campaign upper echelons have not either. What I think is fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not what who I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time."
Its pretty clear that he's referencing the accusations made against him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostIt seems you're already committed to this idea, so I'm not sure I can convince you otherwise, but here's the full transcript.
"Full Quote — Obama: You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith and you’re absolutely right that that has not …
Stephanopoulos (interrupting): Your Christian faith.
Obama: My Christian faith. Well, what I’m saying …
Stephanopoulos (interrupting): Connections, right.
Obama (continuing) is that he hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim, and I think that his campaign upper echelons have not either. What I think is fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not what who I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time."
Its pretty clear that he's referencing the accusations made against him.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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