Should Trump Resign Over "Hellhole" Comment?

[Teallaura]

Presumably she only meant, like, 40 or 45 percent of us.

Actually, if you take 'half' out of the sentence, it becomes all Trump's supporters.

[Tassman]

Sure. And people who voted for Hil support infanticide and Antifa and all the other ultra-left nuttery.

Infanticide is defined as the the crime of killing a child within a year of birth. I'm pretty sure Hillary has not supported this. And do you really prefer fascism to Antifa, as per the white supremacist Charlottesville chaos and violence?

[NorrinRadd]

I suspect you will find, carpe, that it was a liberal who coined the phrase "It's the economy stupid."

Yes, it was. But that was a different time. Circumstances have changed significantly.

It was coined by Serpent Head Carville, in the process of painting Slick Willy as the one who would care for da po' folk that ol' Bush 41, being so incomprehensibly out of touch that he didn't even know the price of a gallon of milk, cared naught about. It also turned out to be a good way to distract from other policy issues, Bubba's various faults, etc.

Eventually the phrase important to both sides, since data showed that the general health of "the economy" tends to predict the results of elections.

[NorrinRadd]

Infanticide is defined as the the crime of killing a child within a year of birth. I'm pretty sure Hillary has not supported this. And do you really prefer fascism to Antifa, as per the white supremacist Charlottesville chaos and violence?

I'm not talking about "partial birth abortion," even though I do consider that infanticide. I'm talking about people like Peter Singer. If support for Trump equates to support for the KKK, then support for Hil must equate to support for people like Singer.

As for Antifa, I consider them at least as fascist as the parties you reference, so I prefer neither form of cancer.

[NorrinRadd]

Actually, if you take 'half' out of the sentence, it becomes all Trump's supporters.

True. But despicable as I find her, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that that was not quite what she meant. OTOH, I would simply not be able to make the same assumptions about people here.

[Starlight]

I'm talking about people like Peter Singer. If support for Trump equates to support for the KKK, then support for Hil must equate to support for people like Singer.

As the local poster who supports Singer, and who gets labelled as supporting infanticide, I would point out that I didn't support Hil, I supported Bernie and then Jill Stein. I judged a Trump victory to be mildly preferable to a Hillary victory because I thought Trump would achieve nothing and plummet in popularity and ensure Dems got elected in a massive wave in 2018 and 2020, and so thought the long-term consequences of a Trump victory would be better for the US than a Hillary victory (which would have been better in the short-term but caused an anti-democratic backlash in 2018 and 2020 that would have been problematic given the Reps already controlled the House and Senate, and Hillary was not a sufficiently good candidate that she was 'worth it' in terms of enduring that backlash just to get 4 years of her).

[Tassman]

I'm not talking about "partial birth abortion," even though I do consider that infanticide. I'm talking about people like Peter Singer. If support for Trump equates to support for the KKK, then support for Hil must equate to support for people like Singer.

That doesn’t follow at all. There’s no reason to think that “support for Hil must equate to support for people like Singer” and his rather extreme views.

As for Antifa, I consider them at least as fascist as the parties you reference, so I prefer neither form of cancer.

Nonsense! The Antifa movement is a conglomeration of anti-fascist groups whose principal is their opposition to fascism. I would have thought that opposition to fascism is preferable to fascism itself, especially given what we saw at Charlottesville with Trump's tacit support. Although I think Antifa’s use of direct, militant action can be counterproductive.

[Mountain Man]

You need an English lesson on what basically accurate. It does not mean 'not accurate.'

How bizzaro illiteracy!!!!

As the Bible says, let your yes be yes, and your no be no. The minute you start adding qualifiers (saying "basically accurate" instead of just saying it's accurate) then you're not being entirely honest. Then there's the matter that several people who attended the meeting, and the President himself, say that language was never used.

Like I said, Frankie, don't be so gullible.

[Roy]

Sorry Jimmy, but I do have a security clearance ...

Do the conditions of that security clearance allow discussion of its existence on open-access international non-government fora?

[Cow Poke]

He does support the Alt Right, the Nazi's, the KKK and the racists by voting for Trump...and for the same reason that 80% of white Evangelical voters voted for alleged pedophile Roy Moore. Namely, to get what they want re anti-gay legislation and abortion. Any means to an end it seems, even supporting the deplorables to get it.

Does it make you feel better to spew forth such profound ignorance? Do you enjoy putting your twisted screwy logic on display?

[seer]

The problem is that the country is not going to migrate it is the people, education has never been a factor in immigration in the USA, and the comparison given for 'people' from these countries named is where the racism of Trumps statements lead to. This is nothing new and consistent with Trumps statements concerning 'people' from certain foreign countries.

Nonsense, Trump was and is speaking of a merit based immigration system - he wants to change the system, and we should. So education would be an important consideration. We don't need more people coming to this country from the third world who have no education and end up taking advantage of welfare.

[Darth Executor]

As the local poster who supports Singer, and who gets labelled as supporting infanticide, I would point out that I didn't support Hil, I supported Bernie and then Jill Stein. I judged a Trump victory to be mildly preferable to a Hillary victory because I thought Trump would achieve nothing and plummet in popularity and ensure Dems got elected in a massive wave in 2018 and 2020, and so thought the long-term consequences of a Trump victory would be better for the US than a Hillary victory (which would have been better in the short-term but caused an anti-democratic backlash in 2018 and 2020 that would have been problematic given the Reps already controlled the House and Senate, and Hillary was not a sufficiently good candidate that she was 'worth it' in terms of enduring that backlash just to get 4 years of her).

"Who gets labelled as supporting infanticide"

[rogue06]

Ah, no he didn't stand by it. But nice try anyway, you almost found something to support your naive idea that Durbin made it all up.

Not even close. When asked about Obama's press secretary Jim Carney dismissing Durbin's allegation (saying "it did not happen"), Durbin refused to back down and instead issued the statement that "Senator Durbin stands by his comments," through his spokesman Max Gleischman.


So yes Durbin concocted a fake quote which he attributed to "one GOP House Leader" and when repeatedly told by both Democrats and Republicans that it was false stubbornly announced that he "stands by his comments."

This is why he is not exactly a credible source for these sort of things and why you need to hand wave away his history of making up fake quotes because you need for him to be a credible witness now.

Fail better.

[Cow Poke]

"Who gets labelled as supporting infanticide"

Yeah, I sometimes get labeled as "poking cows" - no idea how that happens.

[rogue06]

As the local poster who supports Singer, and who gets labelled as supporting infanticide...

You're actually surprised that your vocal support for killing babies weeks to months after they've been born gains you a reputation for supporting infanticide? What you are calling for is the very definition of infanticide.