Should Trump Resign Over "Hellhole" Comment?

[Darth Executor]

Demi, conservatives here probably don't appreciate the fact that a Russian propagandist is on their side. You're exposing them.

actually we don't think in terms of "Russian propagandists" at all, that's a mental illness unique to nevertrumpers and liberals that you delude yourself into thinking is universal

[Cow Poke]

I'm not sure what you mean.

I was kidding.

[Cow Poke]

I'm not sure what you mean.

My desire for Trump to remain in office and run for re-election is based on my expectation that a president with such low approval ratings, who has alienated so many groups, has almost no chance of being re-elected. I believe THAT is important so we can maintain a balance on SCOTUS. Right now, Republicans hold a trifecta at the federal level, and are close to skewing SCOTUS to the right as well. I do not believe that is healthy for our country. Because the mext most likely retirements on SCOTUS are liberal, my hope is that a democratic president in 2020 will preserve the current 4-1-4 balance of that court, and begin the process of restoring balance at the lower judicial levels, which are skewing badly to the right.

My fear is that the rebound will be so extreme that, by the end of 2020, everything will have shifted to the left, creating the opposite problem from what we have today. At that point, if that happens, I will be chearing on (and voting for) Republicans to try to restore something of a balance. I believe our government works best with a balance of views, and bi-partisan engagement between opposing viewpoints. That is missing today.

Much as I loath Mr. Trump, I believe we have to tolerate his immaturity and childishness until the next election cycle. Perhaps, in that process, we will learn something about electing people with an actual aptitude for the position.

A major factor, as some of the liberal talking heads admit, is "the economy, stupid". If, in fact, the economy continues to roar to life, there might be a lot of otherwise loyal Democrats who stay home on election day. It's WAY too early to tell what the landscape will be like for the next POTUS cycle, let alone midterms.

[carpedm9587]

A major factor, as some of the liberal talking heads admit, is "the economy, stupid". If, in fact, the economy continues to roar to life, there might be a lot of otherwise loyal Democrats who stay home on election day. It's WAY too early to tell what the landscape will be like for the next POTUS cycle, let alone midterms.

I suspect you will find, CP, that liberals do not care as much about "the economy" as conservatives do. Money is not their highest value, AFAICS. They care about the ecology, about the disparity between rich and poor, and about a wide variety of social justice issues. In addition, the economy is not appreciably better under Trump than it was as Obama left office. Yes, the stock market is blazing away, but the new jobs rate has actually slipped, the various promises Trump made about manufacturing jobs are not being realized (because they cannot be), and Trump is alienating one group after another.

I am looking forward to the woman's march, next weekend. If it is substantially less attended than last year, I will be concerned about the energy going out of the left. If not, we will have to wait to see what 2018 and 2020 will bring, but the prospects, right now, lookj good for a correction from the far right stance we now find ourselves in. Indeed, I think the danger is that we will over-correct to the left.

[Mountain Man]

I don't really want him to resign, or be impeached, for anything. I want him to run in 2020, as the head of the Republican ticket.

I wouldn't have pegged you as a guy who'd want to see Trump win a second term.

[Cow Poke]

I suspect you will find, CP, that liberals do not care as much about "the economy" as conservatives do. Money is not their highest value, AFAICS.

You realize, I hope, that "caring about the economy" is not the same as "money is their highest value", right?

They care about the ecology,

In all my dealings with food banks, homeless, the poor.... they don't care nearly as much about 'the ecology' as they do about their next meal, a paycheck, a job....

about the disparity between rich and poor,

class envy

and about a wide variety of social justice issues.

I know it's hard to believe, but in my daily life, aside from Sunday morning, I deal with a whole lot more 'liberal' people - especially on the poorer end of the spectrum - than conservatives. They care very much about their own personal economy.

In addition, the economy is not appreciably better under Trump than it was as Obama left office.

Trump has been in office how long?

Yes, the stock market is blazing away, but the new jobs rate has actually slipped, the various promises Trump made about manufacturing jobs are not being realized (because they cannot be), and Trump is alienating one group after another.

Give it time - we shall see.

I am looking forward to the woman's march, next weekend. If it is substantially less attended than last year, I will be concerned about the energy going out of the left.

That's your gauge?

If not, we will have to wait to see what 2018 and 2020 will bring, but the prospects, right now, lookj good for a correction from the far right stance we now find ourselves in. Indeed, I think the danger is that we will over-correct to the left.

The pendulum do swing.

[Mountain Man]

A major factor, as some of the liberal talking heads admit, is "the economy, stupid". If, in fact, the economy continues to roar to life, there might be a lot of otherwise loyal Democrats who stay home on election day. It's WAY too early to tell what the landscape will be like for the next POTUS cycle, let alone midterms.

That's cute, you think liberals are interested in what's best for the country and not simply pushing their agenda.

[carpedm9587]

You realize, I hope, that "caring about the economy" is not the same as "money is their highest value", right?

Actually, CP, since "the economy" is about money, it would seem to me that people who value the "economy" above other social values are actually valuing money above other, more important (IMO) things.

In all my dealings with food banks, homeless, the poor.... they don't care nearly as much about 'the ecology' as they do about their next meal, a paycheck, a job....

Indeed - for those at the bottom of the food chain, the next paycheck is vital. Unfortunately, little Trump is doing will address the needs of these people.

class envy

Yes - when economics creates widely polarized classes, envy between the lowest classes and those benefiting from the status quo is somewhat inevitable. Trump does not seem to understand this.

I know it's hard to believe, but in my daily life, aside from Sunday morning, I deal with a whole lot more 'liberal' people - especially on the poorer end of the spectrum - than conservatives. They care very much about their own personal economy.

I'm sure. And I am also fairly sure they are increasingly aware of how little of what Trump is doing will benefit them.

Trump has been in office how long?

Almost a year now.

Give it time - we shall see.

We shall indeed.

That's your gauge?

It is a guage, not the gauge.

The pendulum do swing.

It does indeed. Unfortunately, every indication is that it will over-correct to the left, unfortunately.

How much better if the pendulum would come to rest somewhere near the center.

[Mountain Man]

I suspect you will find, CP, that liberals do not care as much about "the economy" as conservatives do. Money is not their highest value,

Bull. A great deal of the liberal agenda is focused on "spreading the wealth". They may not be interested in earning the money themselves, but they will happily accept money that somebody else has earned.

[carpedm9587]

Bull. A great deal of the liberal agenda is focused on "spreading the wealth". They may not be interested in earning the money themselves, but they will happily accept money that somebody else has earned.

A great deal of the liberal agenda is about correcting the inequities of capitalism run amuck. While I do not agree with all liberal agenda, this one I do agree with.

[Cow Poke]

That's cute, you think liberals are interested in what's best for the country and not simply pushing their agenda.

What can I say, I try to be optimistic..... but I think i'm talking about the rank and file - the average Joe --- not the liberal elites who run everything and sucker the little people into believing they care.

[Starlight]

That's cute, you think liberals are interested in what's best for the country and not simply pushing their agenda.

Stop projecting conservative values onto liberals.

[JimL]

actually we don't think in terms of "Russian propagandists" at all, that's a mental illness unique to nevertrumpers and liberals that you delude yourself into thinking is universal

You don't think period Darth, if you did you might recognise the mental illness you're suffering from.

[Mountain Man]

A great deal of the liberal agenda is about correcting the inequities of capitalism run amuck. While I do not agree with all liberal agenda, this one I do agree with.

Like I said, liberals aren't interested in earning their own money, only in using the power of the government to steal other people's earnings and "redistribute" it to those who didn't earn it.

[carpedm9587]

Like I said, liberals aren't interested in earning their own money, only in using the power of the government to steal other people's earnings and "redistribute" it to those who didn't earn it.

No, it isn't. That is a right-wing meme. I know it gets a lot of play, but it's simply not true.