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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm getting low on maple surple....The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSurple?
About a minute eight seconds....
Roses are red and violets are purple
sugar is sweet and so's maple surple
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostSomehow I read his post as syrup even though he spelled it so badly. I didn't even notice anything was wrong with the spelling until I saw your post.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostRoses are red and violets are purple
sugar is sweet and so's maple surpleThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostSort of. One of the two denies that their liberal views results in a liberal bias to the news they proffer. I'll take that denial with a grain of salt, since people are often unaware of how their filters affect their words.
I am not open to a suggestion that ...
NPR themselves admit their liberal bias.
... is not directly contradicted by ...
But that doesn't change what is going out over the air.
Adrift is known for his careful analysis and sourcing, so I'm scoring this as an exception. In this case, he didn't even read his quote before posting it. And I didn't miss the fact he didn't bother trying to defend it, either.
Thanks for the invocation, toasti. There are a couple possible takes on this. One is that he's now looking at things with a conservative bias, and therefore his comments should be taken with a grain of salt. Another is that he's been in both camps, and therefore just might possibly be able to more accurately pinpoint where NPR falls on the scale.
I see these remarks more as cultural snobbery than racist per se. "Mexican" is not a race, La Raza (a prominent voice among Mexican immigrants) IS unquestionably racist, and Mexico is after all a major source and/or funnel for illegal drugs into the country. That, of course, does not make his comments right.
As an aside, I've communicated privately in chat rooms and on messenger with a number of TWebbers over the years. For the most part, those conversations were rewarding, and more than once gave me reason to think better of a person I'd been at odds with on the board. Crystal is a good example.
But, in one case, I abruptly cut off communication with a member after she explained how her boyfriend had taught her to avoid saying she didn't like blacks by instead saying that she didn't like black culture. She was quite publicly annoyed. Frankly, I couldn't figure a way to express my disapproval that wouldn't be still more hurtful.
How in the world is the belief that someone was really born in Kenya instead of Hawai'i racist? The spin is there, toasti.
Any individual example could be couched in euphemism or ascribed to separate motivations, but the sum is probative, even before we consider other well known examples. There comes a point where granting the benefit of the doubt crosses the line into complicity, and I can't go there.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostThat's not an objection. I"m open to the possibility that NPR has a liberal bias. I am open to the possibility that NPR has a decidedly liberal bias I'm somehow unable to fathom unaided.
I am not open to a suggestion that ...
NPR themselves admit their liberal bias.
... is not directly contradicted by ...
But that doesn't change what is going out over the air.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostThat's not an objection. I"m open to the possibility that NPR has a liberal bias. I am open to the possibility that NPR has a decidedly liberal bias I'm somehow unable to fathom unaided.
I am not open to a suggestion that ...NPR themselves admit their liberal bias.
... is not directly contradicted by ...But that doesn't change what is going out over the air.
...
Not sure that's even what Adrift said - didn't read like that to me - but recognizing an issue and correcting an issue are two different things.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostThat's not an objection. I"m open to the possibility that NPR has a liberal bias. I am open to the possibility that NPR has a decidedly liberal bias I'm somehow unable to fathom unaided."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostUm, Taoist, that's NOT a contradiction.
And how many kittens do I have to rescue to get you to drop the capitals on my name.
Not sure that's even what Adrift said - didn't read like that to me -
... but recognizing an issue and correcting an issue are two different things.
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Larger markets do a lot of local programming. Smaller markets, too, as much as they can afford. Bigger budgets buy better programs. There's a local newscast and a creole newscast out of Miami. After that, the money pretty much runs out. They broadcast school board meetings, too. Miami has only about half a million folks, making it just big enough to pay for itself.
When people talk about federal funding for public broadcasting, they're talking about the cost to distribute programming to markets that can't afford a local newscast, rural electrification folks, boonies.
If Trump refers to African countries as "shitholes," it's, at minimum, unfortunate, but it's not a high crime or misdemeanor. Mueller is pushing hard with the Manafort trial date, but he's not going to be done anytime soon. Meanwhile, Trump's tweeting nuclear threats, and you're wondering if quoting the leader of the free world passes decorum tests on our wonderfully obscure little corner of the net.
Kafkaesque.
The tangential claim that negative coverage of Trump reflects a liberal bias flies in the face of the obvious: The National Review doesn't pan conservatives. He's not even ideological.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd, given that Obama gave an almost identical speech at several tree lighting ceremonies, does that mean you are willing to give him the same suspension of judgment?
But none of us can really know who is and isn't a Christian. We can only judge people by what they do.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTo be honest, it's hard for me to imagine that any Christian would mistakenly refer to his "Muslim faith" in an interview like Obama did.
But none of us can really know who is and isn't a Christian. We can only judge people by what they do.
The text of the original interview can be found here: https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.aspThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostAdmission, denial. If it's one, it's not the other.
And how many kittens do I have to rescue to get you to drop the capitals on my name.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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