Should Trump Resign Over "Hellhole" Comment?

[demi-conservative]

I don't understand why people in general seem to take these Trump comments so seriously.

I could hardly care less about them - they tell us zero about Trump I didn't already know.

Other progs like you flip out over other things, like accord of Paris.

Be understanding!!!

[Starlight]

Trump wanted more immigrants from Norway rather than from s***hole countries. Trouble is, people in Norway don't want to move to a s***hole like the US...

Norway to Trump: 'Thanks, but no thanks':

Norwegians are rejecting a suggestion by US President Donald Trump that they would be more welcome to move to the United States than immigrants from "s***hole countries" such as Haiti or African nations.

The Nordic country, one of the richest in the world by GDP per capita, was last year named the happiest nation on the planet and is known for a cradle-to-grave welfare state funded in part by large reserves of oil and natural gas....

"On behalf of Norway: Thanks, but no thanks," tweeted Torbjoern Saetre, a politician representing Norway's Conservative Party in a municipality near Oslo...

"We are not coming. Cheers from Norway," one woman wrote....

just 502 out of a population of 5.3 million people moved [from Norway to the US] in 2016... According to Statistics Norway, more Americans moved to Norway - 895 - than the other way around....

Christian Christensen, an American professor of journalism at Stockholm University in neighboring Sweden, tweeted: "Of course people from #Norway would love to move to a country where people are far more likely to be shot, live in poverty, get no healthcare because they're poor, get no paid parental leave or subsidized daycare and see fewer women in political power. #S***hole"

[NorrinRadd]

He is appealing to his racist bigoted basest of the base. As indicated by the responses so far.

That's exactly what he's doing and demonstrating in the process his own overt racism which has been evident from the beginning.

I'm delighted to be part of his base. Not so two years ago. My preferences were Cruz, Fiorina, and Paul, in no particular order. After he won the nomination, I did not decide until I was actually in the voting booth to vote for Trump rather than to abstain. Since then, pretty much every day I am more and more glad that I did.

I don't think any of my family voted for him, but many of my friends did. Some were with him from the jump, most were more like me, and would initially have preferred one of the more "conventional" candidates. I believe all, like me, are glad we did not get one of those.

I don't think any of us -- my friends and I -- consider ourselves -- or Trump -- to be "racist." Some would probably be offended enough at that suggestion to argue against the idea. I am past caring. I am long past caring whether anyone considers me a racist, and I'm pretty much past caring about the extent, if any, to which I might actually *be* one.

I would not be surprised if Trump really did use the feces-foramen term, or something closely similar, and if he did, I'm disappointed at his denial. Rather than deny and backtrack, I believe he should have *publicly* addressed the matter directly, with exactly the same sort of rhetoric, dialed up to eleven. In most cases, I prefer that the public, formal comments of POTUS should be generally "conventionally Presidential," but in certain cases such as this, forcefully gogoltupling down is appropriate. (Of course, I'm the sort of person who finds VP Cheney's famous GFY suggestion to be the height of political discourse.)

[demi-conservative]

Trump wanted more immigrants from Norway rather than from s***hole countries. Trouble is, people in Norway don't want to move to a s***hole like the US...

Norway to Trump: 'Thanks, but no thanks':

Norwegians are rejecting a suggestion by US President Donald Trump that they would be more welcome to move to the United States than immigrants from "s***hole countries" such as Haiti or African nations.

The Nordic country, one of the richest in the world by GDP per capita, was last year named the happiest nation on the planet and is known for a cradle-to-grave welfare state funded in part by large reserves of oil and natural gas....

Currently, more Norwegians in US than in Norway itself.

If libtards greennuts get their way, banning use of oil, also natural gas, around world, then Norway will become poor again.

Then they'll want to come to US. Again.

[Tassman]

I'm delighted to be part of his base. Not so two years ago. My preferences were Cruz, Fiorina, and Paul, in no particular order. After he won the nomination, I did not decide until I was actually in the voting booth to vote for Trump rather than to abstain. Since then, pretty much every day I am more and more glad that I did.

Yes apparently!

White evangelicals voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump and 80% of White Evangelicals backed alleged child molester Roy Moore. These people, you included, seem “delighted” that these moral reprobates and racist, homophobic bigots represent their Christian values. It’s a further indication that Evangelical Christians have lost the moral high ground they once claimed.

[Starlight]

White evangelicals voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump and 80% of White Evangelicals backed alleged child molester Roy Moore. These people, you included, seem “delighted” that these moral reprobates and racist, homophobic bigots represent their Christian values. It’s a further indication that Evangelical Christians have lost the moral high ground they once claimed.

Hmm, but the 'moral majority' were never actually moral nor ever truly had the moral high ground, they were always just as horrible and awful and evil people.

The difference was that society as a whole back then granted religion the prerogative of defining 'morality'. Liberals, who would disagree with the horrible political policies being pushed by the right would accept that the evangelicals got to define morality and say mealy-mouthed things like "well I get that their position is the moral one, but does the law have to follow morality? Because I'm concerned their polices are hurting people..." For a while there was a bit of a push by liberals to try and use the word "ethics" to create behavioral codes in contrast to "morality" which was a religious behavioral code. So the conservatives had the moral high ground in the sense that everyone including the liberals were simply admitting they did and were granting them the religious right to dictate morality.

Whereas these days Progressives are emphatic about morality themselves, and tend to follow an egalitarian / human rights / utilitarian based morality very aggressively, and won't waste a second in calling out evangelical policies as immoral. The evangelicals haven't become better or worse people - they're just as horrible as they were back in the days they fought for slavery and then tried to defend segregation etc. But now their self-aggrandizement as 'moral' just isn't tolerated by everyone else, and they are not granted the prerogative to go around defining morality or telling others what's moral and what isn't. The political policies they fight for are constantly critiqued on the grounds they are immoral and evil and harmful (harmful being a synonym for immoral and evil in the minds of most Progressives). Voting for a child-molester is little different to when they voted for a guy who stood in the school door and announced "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever".

[Charles]

It’s a further indication that Evangelical Christians have lost the moral high ground they once claimed.

Even though I have been critical towards the idea that Christians should be particularily moral or hold some higher ground I have been rather surprised to see what Christians are willing to support. Evangelical Christians supporting Trump in almost every way has surprised me, and I certainly agree that any claim to moral high ground is in vain.

[lilpixieofterror]

Trump wanted more immigrants from Norway rather than from s***hole countries. Trouble is, people in Norway don't want to move to a s***hole like the US...

Norway to Trump: 'Thanks, but no thanks':

Norwegians are rejecting a suggestion by US President Donald Trump that they would be more welcome to move to the United States than immigrants from "s***hole countries" such as Haiti or African nations.

The Nordic country, one of the richest in the world by GDP per capita, was last year named the happiest nation on the planet and is known for a cradle-to-grave welfare state funded in part by large reserves of oil and natural gas....

"On behalf of Norway: Thanks, but no thanks," tweeted Torbjoern Saetre, a politician representing Norway's Conservative Party in a municipality near Oslo...

"We are not coming. Cheers from Norway," one woman wrote....

just 502 out of a population of 5.3 million people moved [from Norway to the US] in 2016... According to Statistics Norway, more Americans moved to Norway - 895 - than the other way around....

Christian Christensen, an American professor of journalism at Stockholm University in neighboring Sweden, tweeted: "Of course people from #Norway would love to move to a country where people are far more likely to be shot, live in poverty, get no healthcare because they're poor, get no paid parental leave or subsidized daycare and see fewer women in political power. #S***hole"

It’s amusing how Starlight ignores the fact few people are going to move from first world nation to first world nation (at least in mass immigration numbers). Most people that immigrate from their homelands are leaving for a better place. Although it is always amusing to listen to clueless foreigners talk about things they know nothing about. Most people shot here are shot because they’re involved in criminal activity, so avoid criminal activity and you’re going to be fine. Americans make more than other first world nations. Poor in America have plenty of access to healthcare. Trumps comment is silly for the reason he misunderstands why mass migration happens, saying dumb things yourself doesn’t make you look any smarter in return.

[Mountain Man]

I believe Paul Ryan has reliable sources.

Someone is hedging white lies with there fingers crossed behind their backs.

Source: Source: [url

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/senators-trump-comment-tom-cotton/index.html][/url]

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republcain, was also part of the Oval Office sitdown. He suggested in a statement Friday that the President had said something questionable, but Graham did not directly say Trump had used the term "shithole" to describe African countries.

However, Republican Sen. Tim Scott, the junior senator from South Carolina, told the Charleston Post and Courier that Graham told him the reported comments are "basically accurate."

"If that comment is accurate, the comment is incredibly disappointing," Scott told the newspaper.

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Don't be so gullible, frank-n-beans. What does "basically accurate" mean? That sounds like weasel words to me. Either the report is accurate, or it's not. Using the term "basically accurate" is just another way of saying that it's not accurate.

[Darth Executor]

Even though I have been critical towards the idea that Christians should be particularily moral or hold some higher ground I have been rather surprised to see what Christians are willing to support. Evangelical Christians supporting Trump in almost every way has surprised me, and I certainly agree that any claim to moral high ground is in vain.

Most of Trump's policies are very good so why wouldn't they? As far as I can tell liberals are butthurt Evangelicals are no longer willing to look for the mythical unicorn of a principled competent politician and will simply vote for an effective one instead.

[Adrift]

It’s amusing how Starlight ignores the fact few people are going to move from first world nation to first world nation (at least in mass immigration numbers). Most people that immigrate from their homelands are leaving for a better place. Although it is always amusing to listen to clueless foreigners talk about things they know nothing about. Most people shot here are shot because they’re involved in criminal activity, so avoid criminal activity and you’re going to be fine. Americans make more than other first world nations. Poor in America have plenty of access to healthcare. Trumps comment is silly for the reason he misunderstands why mass migration happens, saying dumb things yourself doesn’t make you look any smarter in return.

Yeah, here's a handy little web app that shows where Norwegians have been moving. According to data collected by the UN's Department of Economic and Social Affairs, only Sweden has more Norwegian migrants than the US (which makes sense).

[Darth Executor]

Trump wanted more immigrants from Norway rather than from s***hole countries. Trouble is, people in Norway don't want to move to a s***hole like the US...

Norway to Trump: 'Thanks, but no thanks':

Norwegians are rejecting a suggestion by US President Donald Trump that they would be more welcome to move to the United States than immigrants from "s***hole countries" such as Haiti or African nations.

The Nordic country, one of the richest in the world by GDP per capita, was last year named the happiest nation on the planet and is known for a cradle-to-grave welfare state funded in part by large reserves of oil and natural gas....

"On behalf of Norway: Thanks, but no thanks," tweeted Torbjoern Saetre, a politician representing Norway's Conservative Party in a municipality near Oslo...

"We are not coming. Cheers from Norway," one woman wrote....

just 502 out of a population of 5.3 million people moved [from Norway to the US] in 2016... According to Statistics Norway, more Americans moved to Norway - 895 - than the other way around....

Christian Christensen, an American professor of journalism at Stockholm University in neighboring Sweden, tweeted: "Of course people from #Norway would love to move to a country where people are far more likely to be shot, live in poverty, get no healthcare because they're poor, get no paid parental leave or subsidized daycare and see fewer women in political power. #S***hole"

Trump is wrong anyway, why would you want to ship in more Adrifts who want to bring in savages to rape your kids then throw you in prison if you complain? I'd honestly rather just have more Somalians, at least they don't outsource their atrocities.

[shunyadragon]

I'm delighted to be part of his base. Not so two years ago. My preferences were Cruz, Fiorina, and Paul, in no particular order. After he won the nomination, I did not decide until I was actually in the voting booth to vote for Trump rather than to abstain. Since then, pretty much every day I am more and more glad that I did.

I don't think any of my family voted for him, but many of my friends did. Some were with him from the jump, most were more like me, and would initially have preferred one of the more "conventional" candidates. I believe all, like me, are glad we did not get one of those.

I don't think any of us -- my friends and I -- consider ourselves -- or Trump -- to be "racist." Some would probably be offended enough at that suggestion to argue against the idea. I am past caring. I am long past caring whether anyone considers me a racist, and I'm pretty much past caring about the extent, if any, to which I might actually *be* one.

I would not be surprised if Trump really did use the feces-foramen term, or something closely similar, and if he did, I'm disappointed at his denial. Rather than deny and backtrack, I believe he should have *publicly* addressed the matter directly, with exactly the same sort of rhetoric, dialed up to eleven. In most cases, I prefer that the public, formal comments of POTUS should be generally "conventionally Presidential," but in certain cases such as this, forcefully gogoltupling down is appropriate. (Of course, I'm the sort of person who finds VP Cheney's famous GFY suggestion to be the height of political discourse.)

Turkeys of a feather flock together.

[demi-conservative]

Yes apparently!

White evangelicals voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump and 80% of White Evangelicals backed alleged child molester Roy Moore. These people, you included, seem “delighted” that these moral reprobates and racist, homophobic bigots represent their Christian values. It’s a further indication that Evangelical Christians have lost the moral high ground they once claimed.

White evangelical voted for 'literally Hitler' every since Reagan, but keep crying!!!

[rogue06]

Don't be so gullible, frank-n-beans. What does "basically accurate" mean? That sounds like weasel words to me. Either the report is accurate, or it's not. Using the term "basically accurate" is just another way of saying that it's not accurate.

Essentially "basically accurate" means that it's not what was said but was pretty close.