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  • Christians Ascend?

    JimL started another goofy trolling thread, this one being Time to Ascend?

    I'm just curious - I've never heard of our "going to Heaven" as "ascending". That's a word I've always seen associated with Jesus, and Him alone. When somebody mentions "the ascension", I immediately think of Jesus ascending into the clouds, his disciples watching.

    Does your denomination or faith use "ascend" in referring to the resurrection (or rapture) of the saints?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    It's nice to think that I, also other Christians, ascend while Jesus nukes sinful earth with fire and fury!
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    • #3
      Its not my expertise but in Catholicism I've only ever seen the word ascension used to describe Jesus ascending bodily into Heaven. The ascending part meaning that his resurrected body itself was taken up into Heaven. What happens as the End of Time, when Christ comes back to judge the world I've only ever found to be called The Resurrection and The Final Judgement.

      Aside from Christ, Catholics also use it for Mary (of which my protestant brethren here will probably kindly - hopefully - disagree).

      Couldn't Enoch and Elijah, also be described as ascending to Heaven? Though its a bit more unclear in Enochs case, than with Elijah who was caught up in whirlwind.

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      • #4
        I think it's just semantics.

        We are "caught up" to be with Him, and scripture says we'll be changed in "the twinkling of an eye", which I've heard some scholars say is the time it takes for light to hit the retina from when it enters the eye......instantaneously, if you will.


        Those who are dead in Christ will rise first, and we will all be together forever with the Lord.


        Jim is being disengenuios, as always. I refuse to engage him on this topic anymore.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
          I think it's just semantics.

          We are "caught up" to be with Him, and scripture says we'll be changed in "the twinkling of an eye", which I've heard some scholars say is the time it takes for light to hit the retina from when it enters the eye......instantaneously, if you will.


          Those who are dead in Christ will rise first, and we will all be together forever with the Lord.


          Jim is being disengenuios, as always. I refuse to engage him on this topic anymore.
          Yeah, I figured it was, I just never heard of it put that way.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
            Its not my expertise but in Catholicism I've only ever seen the word ascension used to describe Jesus ascending bodily into Heaven. The ascending part meaning that his resurrected body itself was taken up into Heaven. What happens as the End of Time, when Christ comes back to judge the world I've only ever found to be called The Resurrection and The Final Judgement.

            Aside from Christ, Catholics also use it for Mary (of which my protestant brethren here will probably kindly - hopefully - disagree).

            Couldn't Enoch and Elijah, also be described as ascending to Heaven? Though its a bit more unclear in Enochs case, than with Elijah who was caught up in whirlwind.
            Thanks, Leon, and, yeah, kindly politely disagreeing on Mary, but not seeing it worth a fight. And, yeah, those latter two don't really seem to fit the "ascend" model.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Yeah, I figured it was, I just never heard of it put that way.
              It's Jim. He is throwing words around and doesn't even know what he's talking about.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by 1 Th 4:17. Blue Letter Bible
                Then we which are alive and remain shall be caughtup together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
                This is apparently where the idea is coming from. Ascension would be a fair understanding since we will be in the clouds and meeting the Lord in the air.

                Doctrinally, no, no denomination teaches that we 'ascend' as such but the semantics aren't an issue here. The problem is the assumption of further travel into Heaven which the passage does not support. Unsure if any denominations believe that - it's not part of the futurist view you and KG like making fun of.

                Jim's question is based on a misunderstanding of the Second Coming but the word 'ascend' is not an incorrect application.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                  - it's not part of the futurist view you and KG like making fun of.
                  Woah, backup... what's this about?
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Woah, backup... what's this about?
                    The other thread - you both made derogatory comments. I'm not a futurist but frankly, the derision is getting old. Jim didn't need the Left Behind series - Scripture actually does support the ascension idea here (not as far as Jim goes, but that can be mere misunderstanding).
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                      The other thread - you both made derogatory comments. I'm not a futurist but frankly, the derision is getting old. Jim didn't need the Left Behind series - Scripture actually does support the ascension idea here (not as far as Jim goes, but that can be mere misunderstanding).
                      What derogatory comments did I make about the futurist view?
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        What derogatory comments did I make about the futurist view?
                        Here are the totality of my posts in that thread....

                        Jim asked "no ascension?"
                        I answered
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Not unless you change your ways.
                        Jim asked for clarification on the "ascension to heaven", I answered, quite honestly...
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        In all my days as a Christian, I've never heard it called that - Jesus ascended. We don't (at least us Baptists) refer to our going to Heaven as "ascending".
                        KG mentioned something about Left Behind series.... I suggested...
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        I think he finds this stuff on really dopey anti-Christian websites and thinks it makes good arguments.
                        This was inclusive of his nutty previous thread and his mangling of scripture, taking things out of context, and zombifying the resurrection.

                        My last post - total of four - was....
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        If I believed even a tiny bit that you were genuinely interested in this, and not just being a , I'd be happy to discuss it.

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                        So, how, exactly, does that justify your....

                        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                        - it's not part of the futurist view you and KG like making fun of..

                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          I am a futurist, and I have to say that I've never seen CP speak derogatorily about it.


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                          • #14
                            I had thought it was in that thread - but I do recall you commenting that Jim got his theology/doctrine from 'Left Behind' recently. Am I mistaken?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                              I had thought it was in that thread - but I do recall you commenting that Jim got his theology/doctrine from 'Left Behind' recently. Am I mistaken?
                              Very much. And I don't think this is the first time.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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