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    Quote Originally Posted by lao tzu View Post
    MM has a physical disability that would make me mad at the world, not that I'm mentioning that as anything other than a possible example. But given that examples are possible, taking one step back isn't merely good ethics, it's good hermeneutics.
    Huh. News to me. IIRC he adopted a son who is deaf (which he does not characterize as a disability), but I don't recall him being disabled in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I wasn't even looking for this.

    Meditation DOESN'T make you a calmer person: Buddhist practice leaves people just as aggressive and prejudiced, reveals study

    If every eight-year-old in the world is taught meditation, the world will be without violence within one generation,' the Dalai Lama claims.

    But it appears the respected monk could be wrong.

    For scientists have revealed the trendy Buddhist practice does not make you more compassionate, less aggressive or prejudiced.

    Meditation, incorporating a range of spiritual and religious beliefs, has been touted for decades as being able to make the world a better place.

    However, researchers from the UK, New Zealand and The Netherlands, have found meditation doesn't change how adults behave towards others.


    Us not fancy country folk call it "taking a nap"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I wasn't even looking for this.

    Meditation DOESN'T make you a calmer person: Buddhist practice leaves people just as aggressive and prejudiced, reveals study

    If every eight-year-old in the world is taught meditation, the world will be without violence within one generation,' the Dalai Lama claims.

    But it appears the respected monk could be wrong.

    For scientists have revealed the trendy Buddhist practice does not make you more compassionate, less aggressive or prejudiced.

    Meditation, incorporating a range of spiritual and religious beliefs, has been touted for decades as being able to make the world a better place.

    However, researchers from the UK, New Zealand and The Netherlands, have found meditation doesn't change how adults behave towards others.

    The same would apply to prayer, judging by the violence and aggression perpetrated by some religious people...of all religions. But in all instances, one can aspire to be a better person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I wasn't even looking for this.

    Meditation DOESN'T make you a calmer person: Buddhist practice leaves people just as aggressive and prejudiced, reveals study

    If every eight-year-old in the world is taught meditation, the world will be without violence within one generation,' the Dalai Lama claims.

    But it appears the respected monk could be wrong.

    For scientists have revealed the trendy Buddhist practice does not make you more compassionate, less aggressive or prejudiced.

    Meditation, incorporating a range of spiritual and religious beliefs, has been touted for decades as being able to make the world a better place.

    However, researchers from the UK, New Zealand and The Netherlands, have found meditation doesn't change how adults behave towards others.


    Buddhists perform the same sort of evil actions that others do. No advantage there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    Buddhists perform the same sort of evil actions that others do. No advantage there.
    Except in history Buddhists have performed far fewer evil actions as the Abrahamic religions. I am also acknowledging here that we are all fallible humans, and universally capable of evil actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Except in history Buddhists have performed far fewer evil actions as the Abrahamic religions. I am also acknowledging here that we are all fallible humans, and universally capable of evil actions.
    Of course, there are far FAR fewer Buddhists, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Of course, there are far FAR fewer Buddhists, so...
    Not really relevant, because Buddhism has a longer history than Christianity, and ruled Kingdoms and the population is not small today nor in history.

    Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=buddhist+population+2017&oq=Buddhist+popu&aqs=chrome.2.0j69i57j0l4.14833j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


    Buddhism is a religion practiced by an estimated 488 million in the world, 495 million, or 535 million people as of the 2010s, representing 9% to 10% of the world's total population. China is the country with the largest population of Buddhists, approximately 244 million or 18.2% of its total population.

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    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Not really relevant
    Yes it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Ya think. Do you think you are directly communing with god when praying the rosary, repeating the same words over and over?
    This is not a Protestant practice.
    ‘To say that God deliberately brings about a sinful human race so that he may [unconditionally] elect some to salvation, and then deliberately sends the nonelect to hell so that his saving gace may appear all the more glorious, is the opposite of grace.’
    —Jack W. Cottrell, ‘Responses to Robert L. Reymond’, in Chad Owen Brand (ed.), Perspectives on Election: Five Views (Nashville, TN: B&H Academic, 2006), p. 202, emphasis in original



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    This thread caught my eye. I suspect there are two things that underlay the phenomenon of "atheist prayer." One is the transitional period many atheist go through. I think CP's early comment about a "just in case" strategy may be quite apt for many in that state of their transition.

    The second is the deep-seated reality of religion in our culture/society. When crisis hits, and it becomes clear that our personal resources are not (or may not be) adequate to avert the crisis, the last resort would be to appeal to a "higher force," in the hopes there might be one and it might respond. That aligns with the "atheists in foxholes" adage, and reflects the psychological reality of our survival instinct.

    That this psychological reality exists does not seem, to me, to have an impact on the reality or non-reality of such a being actually existing. It says more about human psychology than theology.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

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