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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostDoes he talk back, and if so, how do you know it's not you talking to yourself?
This is a rational position for Christians to take because if it's true that God exists then he is certainly capable of influencing our actions and decisions in one way or another.Last edited by Mountain Man; 01-16-2018, 10:31 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWe can't explain it to you, Jimmy, any more than we could explain what a sunset looks like to a man who has been blind since birth. I know when God is "speaking" to me. It doesn't happen often for me, but it's unmistakeable when it does. I won't bother to explain it to you any more than that because you wouldn't understand it if I tried. And, no, I'm not talking grand, earth-shattering revelations. It has always been personal in nature.
This is a rational position for Christians to take because if it's true that God exists then he is certainly capable of influencing our actions and decisions in one way or another.
I went out on a fishing pier where he and I used to fish, and just sat and prayed earnestly for God to let me know how I should even pray.
It came to me very clearly - not in a big booming audible voice, or even anything "external", but a total peace and an assurance that "I'm bringing him home". The "proof" for me that this was God, and not just my own "wishes", is that I wanted my brother to be healed, to live, but I felt such a warmth and peace knowing that he was "going home".
And, yeah, there's no way to explain this to an unbeliever, especially one looking to mock Christianity.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMy best example of God speaking to me was when my oldest brother died. He was 27 and was eaten up with cancer. I had a really hard time knowing how to pray - do I pray for healing, knowing that I would have a terrible time mustering the faith required for that, knowing his condition?
I went out on a fishing pier where he and I used to fish, and just sat and prayed earnestly for God to let me know how I should even pray.
It came to me very clearly - not in a big booming audible voice, or even anything "external", but a total peace and an assurance that "I'm bringing him home". The "proof" for me that this was God, and not just my own "wishes", is that I wanted my brother to be healed, to live, but I felt such a warmth and peace knowing that he was "going home".
And, yeah, there's no way to explain this to an unbeliever, especially one looking to mock Christianity.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWe can't explain it to you, Jimmy, any more than we could explain what a sunset looks like to a man who has been blind since birth. I know when God is "speaking" to me. It doesn't happen often for me, but it's unmistakeable when it does. I won't bother to explain it to you any more than that because you wouldn't understand it if I tried. And, no, I'm not talking grand, earth-shattering revelations. It has always been personal in nature.
This is a rational position for Christians to take because if it's true that God exists then he is certainly capable of influencing our actions and decisions in one way or another.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostOkay, so you know it's god, you just can't explain how you know it's god.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNo, I said I can't explain it to YOU because you lack the requisite knowledge, understanding, and willingness necessary to comprehend the answer, and I'm not going to throw my pearls before a swine like you.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI have found that usually when someone says, I can't explain it, you wouldn't understand, it's a sign of their own lack of knowledge. Feyman always comes to mind, speaking about particle/wave duality, where he said, and I paraphrase of course, "if someone can't explain something in easily understood terms, then in all likelyhood it is because they really just don't know what they're talking about."Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOkay, so you know it's god, you just can't explain how you know it's god. That's not really a rational position for anyone to take MM, it is a position lacking reason. Children speak to their imaginary friends as well, and they think that their imaginary friends are talking back to them. But we adults all know that their friends are not real, that they are communicating with themselves. Sane adults do this as well, except that the person to whom they are communing is real, and they know it to be themselves.
I won't be offended, I promise. Just curious.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostJust to be clear, am I correct in inferring from this that you believe religious people to be insane?
I won't be offended, I promise. Just curious.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, I'm not sure I'd go that far, I think that some of the things they say and believe are kind of on the insane side, but I'm not even sure that deep down they really believe those things even though they say they do. But no, in general I wouldn't say they were themselves insane. I guess i would say that they are for the most part sane people, who hold to some insane idea's.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhat's more insane, praying to a God you believe exists, or praying to a God you assert doesn't exist?
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostI have found that usually when someone says, I can't explain it, you wouldn't understand, it's a sign of their own lack of knowledge. Feyman always comes to mind, speaking about particle/wave duality, where he said, and I paraphrase of course, "if someone can't explain something in easily understood terms, then in all likelyhood it is because they really just don't know what they're talking about."
For instance, if I describe it as a compelling inward force that I know without a doubt has an external source, the Christians here will nod their heads with understanding while you look on with mocking and dull-witted incredulity.
Cow Poke gave a very personal example. Did you understand it? Are you willing to entertain the premise that he could have had a genuine answer from God? I doubt it.Last edited by Mountain Man; 01-16-2018, 02:00 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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