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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Jed, Jed, Jed, read it again, carefully this time. You'll find that Tass is agreeing with me that Trump has heart disease. People with coronary artery disease have heart disease and when you have calcium buildup in the arteries, then you have heart disease, which, just as in the case with Trump, is treated with drugs. No one is saying that his physical condition is an obstacle to his ability to perform as president, but, he is at substantial risk for a heart attack, so what are you arguing about.
    Doctor Jackson says "The President is in excellent health . . . "

    Jimmy says, " . . . Trump has heart disease."

    Doctor Jackson says "The President is in excellent health . . . "

    Tass says, " . . . incidentally, did not show Trump to be in “excellent health” as stated,"

    Why should I see you two as anything but political liars? You do not like Trump and have made all sorts of dubious claims, this one just plain contradicts the clear statements of Dr. Jackson.
    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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    • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
      Doctor Jackson says "The President is in excellent health . . . "

      Jimmy says, " . . . Trump has heart disease."

      Doctor Jackson says "The President is in excellent health . . . "

      Tass says, " . . . incidentally, did not show Trump to be in “excellent health” as stated,"

      Why should I see you two as anything but political liars? You do not like Trump and have made all sorts of dubious claims, this one just plain contradicts the clear statements of Dr. Jackson.
      Aren't these some of the same guys who were scoffing at concerns about Hillary's health as she was stuffed into a van like a sack of potatoes after nearly collapsing? She's perfectly healthy!!!!

      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        (a) A sense of obligation to the patient, which most doctors feel; (b) He's in the chain of command, so Trump, his superior, is allowed to order him to lie; (c) He might be a Trump-supporter (I have no idea) whom, like yourself, is willing to believe that up is down and be creative with the truth.
        Folks I"m sorry to say but due to Starlight's continued use of a mirror instead of a monitor for his online use it will be months if not years before we can get anymore Irony Meters, every single irony meter in the world has just exploded.

        You want to believe the false narrative put out by non doctor's or doctor's who are miles away from Trump have never examined him so much, that you would put out the most irrational motives for His actual doctor who has examined him to be lying, so that you don't have to face the truth that Trump has is in very very good condition for a man of his age.

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        • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
          Why should I see you two as anything but political liars? You do not like Trump and have made all sorts of dubious claims, this one just plain contradicts the clear statements of Dr. Jackson.
          The doctor gave actual numbers of various results. Other doctors have looked at those numbers and said they are deeply concerning results.

          The question then becomes why is Dr Jackson giving out results that are indicative of health problems, but claiming Trump's in 'excellent' health?
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Aren't these some of the same guys who were scoffing at concerns about Hillary's health as she was stuffed into a van like a sack of potatoes after nearly collapsing? She's perfectly healthy!!!!

            This was, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, a case of pneumonia she was riding while doing her tours. She took it more easily afterwards.

            This was attested by a doctor as well.

            Beyond that conservatives tried to argue that she had epilepsy, was narcoleptic, had dysphasia, alzheimers, parkinsons, and all other of crazy diagnoses based on goofy facial expressions she had made. Conservatives decrying democrats for speculating on Trump's lack of vocabulary, childish twitter behavior, etc... but themselves participated in similar baseless speculations about Hillary are hypocrites.

            I believe Trump to be who he appears to be, neither a Machiavellian artist who puts on a persona, nor someone who is mentally ill. He just is what's presented, whatever that might say about him. Conservatives at any rate stopped paying attention to Hillary's health after she lost the election.

            Eventually, due to the inevitability of age, Trump and Hillary will both suffer some ailments and if anyone cares at that point they can try to claim that prediction X about them finally came true. People have earmarked them for several dozen diagnoses anyway. Something is bound to stick.
            Last edited by Leonhard; 01-20-2018, 07:17 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
              And now you guys have the gall to decry the democrats who look at Trump's undeniably incoherent speeches, repetition, low vocabulary, his temper tantrums
              They're just being stupid.

              Eg.

              vocabulary
              Progs: look down on 'uneducated, stupid rednecks'

              'Why is Trump talking with vocab of fourth grader?'

              'Why is it working? Why do they support him??'

              'Why did Trump win??? '
              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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              • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                Well this is a small step up from Jimmy's, "Ah, Trump has heart disease no matter what you idiots want to tell yourself. " A small one, but a step. Still sees himself as a better doctor than the real doctor, Jackson.
                The point I was making was that Trump cannot be referred to as being in "excellent health". He has dangerously high cholesterol levels despite already being on statins. Statins are intended to reduce cardiovascular disease and mortality in those who are at high risk. So, while Trump may not be at high risk currently, one cannot say that he is in "excellent health". On can only wonder why the doctor abandoned his professionalism and adopted such Trumpian language. It's reminiscent of the last Trump influenced medical report when he supposedly tested "positive" for every medical ailment. "Positive" is NOT a word one wants to hear in a medical report, but ignorant Trump obviously didn't know that.
                Last edited by Tassman; 01-20-2018, 07:28 PM.
                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                • Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                  They're just being stupid.
                  They are being realistic.

                  Progs: look down on 'uneducated, stupid rednecks'

                  'Why is Trump talking with vocab of fourth grader?'
                  Yes!

                  'Why is it working? Why do they support him??'
                  Only his uneducated base supports him, nobody else does. Look at the figures.

                  'Why did Trump win???
                  Hillary won the popular vote. And we all know that the Democratic Party was hacked as part of a Russian attempt to influence US elections and we know that that internal material was used against the Clinton campaign to try and help elect Donald Trump.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    They are being realistic.
                    ...which is why they lost.

                    One year already, can you believe it?? Seven more to go, God willing!

                    Only his uneducated base supports him, nobody else does. Look at the figures.
                    Look at this:



                    Beautiful!!!

                    Hillary won the popular vote. And we all know that the Democratic Party was hacked as part of a Russian attempt to influence US elections and we know that that internal material was used against the Clinton campaign to try and help elect Donald Trump.
                    ' '

                    Grow up, you lost.
                    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                    • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                      This was, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, a case of pneumonia she was riding while doing her tours.
                      Yup. Pneumonia that lasted over a year. Ought to be written up in medical literature.

                      Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                      She took it more easily afterwards.
                      Essentially took an entire month off from campaigning.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

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                      • Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                        ...which is why they lost.

                        One year already, can you believe it?? Seven more to go, God willing!
                        You're living in the past...like Trump. Wait until the mid-terms.
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Yup. Pneumonia that lasted over a year. Ought to be written up in medical literature.
                          What's this with pneumonia that's lasted for a year, I haven't made that claim? Or do you imply that we have to believe she's been that sick for a year? That episode was from September around the time she was diagnosed. The doctor advised her to take it easy for a while. Which she wisely did.

                          Or is this about the occasional coughing she's had throughout that year?

                          I while back I asked you about your claim that she wore anti-seizure glasses, where you linked to a picture of her wearing what appears to be ordinary glasses (not the blue ones). You claimed that the the democratic party had stated they were anti-seizure glasses and I would have been interested in that. Though at that point you stopped responding.

                          I wouldn't be against the possibility that she indeed wore those types of glasses. However, I haven't been able to back up this specific statement of yours.

                          "IIRC her campaign acknowledged they were anti-seizure glasses"

                          That appears to be fake.
                          Last edited by Leonhard; 01-21-2018, 03:11 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            Ah, Trump has heart disease no matter what you idiots want to tell yourself. It's not a big deal, he's 71 years old and way out of shape. What would you expect? According to Dr. Jackson's own records Trumps calcium levels (133) are way over the levels (100) at which heart disease is determined to be existent. Trump is taking a baby aspirin a day which is not something one is prescribed as a treatment unless you actually have heart disease.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXpvFjxDmSl

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                            • Again, speculating that Hillary was unfit for office because she had tripped on a rug, coughed occasionally and made goofy faces - and other assorted cherry-picked occurences - is about as a correct a conclusion as assuming George Bush was unfit for office because of the incident where he mistook a locked door for an open one, or that Donald Trump is unfit because of his antics, speech patterns, twitter hissy fits.

                              The only one competent to judge that she was unfit for office is a doctor.

                              Neurological issues in particular can't be dissected as easily as people make it out to be. All that is on display in this thread are the biases people on either side have against the candidates, and the power of confirmation bias and wishful thinking.

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                              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                                You're living in the past...like Trump.


                                Says guy who keeps going 'Russia russia russia!!!', also 'Hillary won popular vote'.
                                Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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