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Originally posted by JimL View PostI'm not saying there's anything wrong with being fat, I'm saying it's a stretch to believe that Trump only wieghs 239 lbs, and that 239 lbs just happens to be 1 lb under obesity. This Dr. is supposed to be credible, and he may be, but I don't believe that one for a second. If Trump only wieghs 239 lbs then the scale they used must be off by 40 or 50 lbs.
Doctors are malleable about it in order to please patients because from a medical perspective all they are interested in is a ballpark figure - there is zero value in being super-accurate about these things. All they are after is general things like: Should I be recommending this person lose weight (in Trump's case, yes, his doctor did); is the person losing massive amounts of weight rapidly that I should do a medical investigation as to why (e.g. possible cancer) etc?
Given I'm aware that the average doctor is 100% fine with creatively shaving 5-10 lbs off patients' weights when the patient suggests that maybe their true weight is lower than what the doctor is seeing on the scales, I can totally believe that this doctor, knowing that Trump's results would be publicly released (and perhaps totally reasonably feeling that publicly fat-shaming someone by releasing their weight isn't really fair), and feeling a higher than usual level of obligation to his client, he might say "okay, because it has no real medical value, I'm happy to shave X lbs off the publicly reported weight, Mr President, on the condition that you agree to follow the diet I have laid out for you, and lose some weight.""I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostMy experiences with being weighed by doctors and nurses is they're not all that worried about being particularly accurate: They'll do it with clothes and shoes on and cellphone+wallet in your pocket etc and then deduct several pounds in estimation for those things, and they're quite happy to be a little be malleable with their estimates to please the patient. Height tends to be a bit malleable as well (people's height varies anyway throughout the day as the spine decompresses at night when you're horizontal).
Doctors are malleable about it in order to please patients because from a medical perspective all they are interested in is a ballpark figure - there is zero value in being super-accurate about these things. All they are after is general things like: Should I be recommending this person lose weight (in Trump's case, yes, his doctor did); is the person losing massive amounts of weight rapidly that I should do a medical investigation as to why (e.g. possible cancer) etc?
Given I'm aware that the average doctor is 100% fine with creatively shaving 5-10 lbs off patients' weights when the patient suggests that maybe their true weight is lower than what the doctor is seeing on the scales, I can totally believe that this doctor, knowing that Trump's results would be publicly released (and perhaps totally reasonably feeling that publicly fat-shaming someone by releasing their weight isn't really fair), and feeling a higher than usual level of obligation to his client, he might say "okay, because it has no real medical value, I'm happy to shave X lbs off the publicly reported weight, Mr President, on the condition that you agree to follow the diet I have laid out for you, and lose some weight."
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI'm not saying there's anything wrong with being fat, I'm saying it's a stretch to believe that Trump only wieghs 239 lbs, and that 239 lbs just happens to be 1 lb under obesity. This Dr. is supposed to be credible, and he may be, but I don't believe that one for a second. If Trump only wieghs 239 lbs then the scale they used must be off by 40 or 50 lbs.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostYou don't believe the official Physician to the President appointed by Obama, but anything a stray doctor hired by Hillary is gospel? Wow. (This, Leonhard is real special pleading.)
Yes pun was entirely intended.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI'm not spinning stuff about his weight.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 01-17-2018, 04:49 PM.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI have no idea why Starlight or JimL is putting so much weight on that.
Yes pun was entirely intended.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/...heart-disease/Last edited by Mountain Man; 01-17-2018, 05:02 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's because their "Trump has dementia" narrative was blown out of the water, so now they've moved on to the "Trump is obese, and his doctor lied about his weight" narrative. Even that hack on CNN, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, was claiming that Trump has heart disease, and I guess the presidential physician missed it or something? Who knows with these guys.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/...heart-disease/
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAh, Dr. Jackson admitted that Trump has heart disease. At first he said that Trump past all the tests with flying colors. Then Dr Gupta questioned him about the numbers which indicated that Trump had heart disease, and then Dr. Jackson admitted yes he did have heart disease. Having heart disease is not passing everything with flying colors, so why the good Doctor would frame it that way I don't know.
Jackson was asked twice if Trump's test results indicated heart disease and answered "No, not at all" and added that "[Trump's] cardiac health is excellent." Gupta himself then asked Jackson if Trump has heart disease to which Jackson replied, "No, he does not have heart disease."
Gupta, who is a neurosurgeon and not an expert on heart disease, is no stranger of criticism for his reporting. For instance, Trudy Lieberman, who is a regular Nation (the oldest and largest liberal weekly magazine) contributor on healthcare as well as the director of the health and medicine reporting program at the City University of New York, has used terms like "ineptitude" to describe Gupta's reporting.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostDr. Jackson admitted that Trump has heart disease.
Just accept it, Jimmy, the President is healthy, smart, and mentally alert, which I think is probably more than can be said about you.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAh, Dr. Jackson admitted that Trump has heart disease. At first he said that Trump past all the tests with flying colors. Then Dr Gupta questioned him about the numbers which indicated that Trump had heart disease, and then Dr. Jackson admitted yes he did have heart disease. Having heart disease is not passing everything with flying colors, so why the good Doctor would frame it that way I don't know.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostEven the Washington Post is calling B.S. on this.
Jackson was asked twice if Trump's test results indicated heart disease and answered "No, not at all" and added that "[Trump's] cardiac health is excellent." Gupta himself then asked Jackson if Trump has heart disease to which Jackson replied, "No, he does not have heart disease."
Gupta, who is a neurosurgeon and not an expert on heart disease, is no stranger of criticism for his reporting. For instance, Trudy Lieberman, who is a regular Nation (the oldest and largest liberal weekly magazine) contributor on healthcare as well as the director of the health and medicine reporting program at the City University of New York, has used terms like "ineptitude" to describe Gupta's reporting.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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