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    An added note on the ". . . natural body . . ." The Greek here translated "natural" is derived from the Greek for "soul" much in the same way the Greek for spiritual is derived from the Greek for spirit. So the Greek for "natural body" could be rendered "soulical body."

    ". . . It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. . . ." -- 1 Corinthians 15:44-45. (Romans 8:9, 11, 16, 23.)
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    no it is YOUR logic. You think that because it doesn't say "blood" in "flesh and bone" that there is no blood. So according to the same logic, when they say "flesh and blood" they don't mention bone so there must be no bones.
    No. The sinless Christ's blood was the payment for our sins. And He was raised by God's Spirit (Romans 8:11) in a physical body of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39). He is now a man in Heaven for us (1 Timothy 2:5).
    no. Just that if it literally means that Flesh and Blood can't inherit heaven, then not only can there be no blood, there can be no flesh. Again, it is using YOUR logic.
    No. The text does not say "neither flesh nor blood," but "flesh and blood" (1 Corinthians 15:50). Jesus is now a man (flesh) in Heaven for us.

    And blood is part of the body, just like muscle, bone, nerves, etc.
    They were IMMORTAL until they sinned, then they became mortal and sinful. They didn't suddenly get blood. They had it all along.
    They were made with flesh and blood in their soulical bodies, animal bodies, mortal, corruptible. Or they could not have sinned and died. It is the resurrected body that is immortal. And sinless being animated by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11, 23).


    We are indwelt by the Holy Spirit NOW. But we still have blood. Your argument is dumb and overly literal.
    Yeah, waiting for the adoption, Romans 8:11, 23, Philippians 3:21, 1 John 3:2.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    No. The sinless Christ's blood was the payment for our sins. And He was raised by God's Spirit (Romans 8:11) in a physical body of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39). He is now a man in Heaven for us (1 Timothy 2:5).
    No. The text does not say "neither flesh nor blood," but "flesh and blood" (1 Corinthians 15:50). Jesus is now a man (flesh) in Heaven for us.

    They were made with flesh and blood in their soulical bodies, animal bodies, mortal, corruptible. Or they could not have sinned and died. It is the resurrected body that is immortal. And sinless being animated by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11, 23).


    Yeah, waiting for the adoption, Romans 8:11, 23, Philippians 3:21, 1 John 3:2.
    Well I am done arguing with you. You can believe your silly bloodless body thing if you want to. It makes absolutely no sense. God created our bodies to be the way they are, but perfect. That means blood and all the other tissues. When we have glorified bodies we will still eat, poop and breathe. Our bodies will still need blood to carry around the nutrients and oxygen.

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