Craig Keener - Miracles

[element771]

I was actually having a conversation about Keener's denomination yesterday...

The book is excellent, though long. Some of the miracles related are explicable through natural means, like a spleen regrowing. Others are not.

I listend to a talk he gave and he referred to man regrowing his small intestines. Did he provide evidence in the form of records, doc interviews, etc?

[Adrift]

I listend to a talk he gave and he referred to man regrowing his small intestines. Did he provide evidence in the form of records, doc interviews, etc?

I don't remember him mentioning that in the book (maybe happened after he published it). Probably this is the case in question? https://jamesbishopblog.com/2016/11/...o-obstruction/

[element771]

I don't remember him mentioning that in the book (maybe happened after he published it). Probably this is the case in question? https://jamesbishopblog.com/2016/11/...o-obstruction/

That isn't the one but that is a good one.

This guy got basically cut in half my a truck.

Skeptical account:

http://www.freethunk.net/freethunk-n...-say-what-2949

Religious account:

http://www1.cbn.com/700club/bruce-va...a-saved-angels

Media account:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...erates-6768288

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That isn't the one but that is a good one.

This guy got basically cut in half my a truck.

Skeptical account:

http://www.freethunk.net/freethunk-n...-say-what-2949

Religious account:

http://www1.cbn.com/700club/bruce-va...a-saved-angels

Media account:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...erates-6768288

I'll check through Miracles later tonight to see if he mentions it.

[NorrinRadd]

Eh, maybe "Pentecostal" in the most general of senses. If the above is true, he'd be considered charismatic, not necessarily denominationally Pentecostal. There are Catholics who believe in praying in tongues and occasional operations in prophecy, they definitely wouldn't be considered denominationally "Pentecostal". I think both are possible (as probably do most of the people on this forum who are not strict cessationists), and I don't consider myself Pentecostal, but I'm fine with accepting the label charismatic.

That's pretty much my view of the terminology. But Gordon Fee has been even more emphatic in rejecting "separate and subsequent" and "messages" in tongues, but still calls himself "Pentecostal" and still remains part of the AG. (In his case, the fact of his lifelong association with Pentecostalism and the AG in particular may be part of the reason for his directly addressing points of Pentecostalism -- and AG "Fundamental Truths" -- that he disputes.)

I'm fine with either label for myself.

[psstein]

I listend to a talk he gave and he referred to man regrowing his small intestines. Did he provide evidence in the form of records, doc interviews, etc?

I can't commentate on that particular case, as I don't have the books in front of me. When he can, he provides evidence from physicians and interviews with the miracle claimants.

[Adrift]

I just checked my volumes, and I can't find that particular incident, nor the name of the individual or his doctor in either volume (and the sources are extremely thorough). Not saying it's not in there someplace, but I couldn't find it.