The Hypocrisy of Chuck Schumer

[Terraceth]

In short, Mitch McConnell could end the shutdown at any time if he wished (assuming he could get his own Republican Senators to comply with the rule change and to vote for the GOP budget), he does not need any assistance whatsoever from Democrats.

Um... no, no he couldn't end it at any time he wished. When they did the vote to end the filibuster, 5 Republican senators voted against. Granted, it wouldn't have mattered if those 5 did vote for ending it, as it wouldn't have reached 60 votes anyway. However, if he couldn't get those 5 Senators to vote to end this particular filibuster, why in the world do you think he'd be able to get them to vote to end all filibusters?

[Starlight]

Ok, this article isn't snopes or polifact but it says this claim is false: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...false-n2437246

Hmm, good point. Under Carter in 1978, Carter vetoed the budget because he wanted to get rid of wasteful defense funding (Carter was a pretty good President defense-wise IMO), and naturally the military industrial complex was encouraging Congress to vote for wasteful funding, so there was an 18-day stand-off that Carter won. And the year before that, there had been a shutdown because the democratic controlled House and Senate couldn't agree among themselves with regard to Medicaid funding for abortion, so there was a 12 day shutdown.

[rogue06]

Ok, this article isn't snopes or polifact but it says this claim is false: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...false-n2437246

Wait, what? You actually expected Tas to be accurate?








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[RumTumTugger]

So let me get this straight... The Republicans have the POTUS, SCOTUS, House majority and Senate majority... but its the democrats fault that the government shut down?

It would take a change in senate rules that would be double edged sword. Republicans only have a simple majority which will not stop the democrat filibuster Schumer leading a filibuster of democrats over DACA which is about immigration some thing he said he would not do while complaining about the Republicans doing much the same thing in 2013 in other words he is being very hypocritical now 4 years later over something that isn't even critical time wise, in essences in his words as you see in the video I linked holding a gun to the Republicans head in order not to have negotiate in good faith o er DACA.

[Starlight]

Um... no, no he couldn't end it at any time he wished. When they did the vote to end the filibuster, 5 Republican senators voted against. Granted, it wouldn't have mattered if those 5 did vote for ending it, as it wouldn't have reached 60 votes anyway. However, if he couldn't get those 5 Senators to vote to end this particular filibuster, why in the world do you think he'd be able to get them to vote to end all filibusters?

Reading comprehension:

In short, Mitch McConnell could end the shutdown at any time if he wished (assuming he could get his own Republican Senators to comply with the rule change and to vote for the GOP budget), he does not need any assistance whatsoever from Democrats.

The Republicans have enough votes to theoretically pass a budget using only Republican votes if they have the joint will to do so. They do not, in theory, need votes from Democrats.

In practice the Republican caucus is fractured on the issues, and that is why they are having problems and why they need more votes from Democrats than they are getting (in the senate budget vote they lost 4 Republicans but gained 5 Democrats). But that doesn't change the fact that if McConnell's Republican caucus was willing to do so, they could end the filibuster, and pass the budget with zero votes from Democrats - that is totally within their power.

[carpedm9587]

The Dems show their hypocrisy again this weekend by shutting down the government over immigration. see this ABC news video from 4 years ago where Chuck Schumer is blaming the Republicans for the 2013 shutdown. the hypocrisy starts at 2:49

He has now shut down the government because of Immigration when he said he would never do it in this video. he is now the one holding America our military and children hostage for 100,000 peopel here illegally which has nothing to do with the Budget, even though they have till March to fix DACA. #schumershutdown. #stopholdingamericahostage.

Wow. A politician that changes his story when the shoe is on the other foot?

I'm reasonably sure there are NO examples of any other politician doing this. The man should be tarred and feathered.

[Starlight]

The problem is that the Republicans are very independent. Almost impossible to get them to march in lock step like the Democrats.

Seriously dude? It's the other way around.

[carpedm9587]

Sad but often true. I do think the democrats are worse than the republicans.

I doubt anyone could make the case for either party being better/worse than the other. They both do it - and liberally.

[carpedm9587]

Ok, this article isn't snopes or polifact but it says this claim is false: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...false-n2437246

It is false. There was a shutdown in 1980 under Carter - and both houses were Democratically controlled. It's the first time, AFAIK, that it's happened to the Republicans under the same circumstances.

[carpedm9587]

Seriously dude? It's the other way around.

I don't think either case can be made. There are caucuses and factions in both parties, AFAICT.

[ke7ejx]

I doubt anyone could make the case for either party being better/worse than the other. They both do it - and liberally.

I agree with you on something, miracles can happen! But, you're right both parties are in the soup. It's one of many reasons I registered as an Independent when I turned 18. We have a bunch of politicians that have been in Congress for decades and haven't been helpful in years which is why I think a) we need to have a purge of inefficient politicians and b) introduce an Amendment to the Constitution that will bring in term limits. Perhaps it's a solution for what has been a long-term problem.

[Terraceth]

Reading comprehension:


The Republicans have enough votes to theoretically pass a budget using only Republican votes if they have the joint will to do so. They do not, in theory, need votes from Democrats.

In practice the Republican caucus is fractured on the issues, and that is why they are having problems and why they need more votes from Democrats than they are getting (in the senate budget vote they lost 4 Republicans but gained 5 Democrats). But that doesn't change the fact that if McConnell's Republican caucus was willing to do so, they could end the filibuster, and pass the budget with zero votes from Democrats - that is totally within their power.

The problem is you followed the quoted portion up immediately with--and I admit I probably should have quoted this to be more clear--the statement "The whole shutdown is theater from Mitch McConnell." The argument appears to be that McConnell, if he got the other Republicans to go along with it, could stop it, so the blame is on him even though that "if" seems to not be possible nor necessarily his fault? Unless you're blaming him for not getting the other Republicans to toe the line enough?

[RumTumTugger]

Wow. A politician that changes his story when the shoe is on the other foot?

I'm reasonably sure there are NO examples of any other politician doing this. The man should be tarred and feathered.

I wouldn't to so far as tar and feathers more like going to bed without dinner for his temper tantrum over not getting what he want right this minute.

[carpedm9587]

I agree with you on something, miracles can happen! But, you're right both parties are in the soup. It's one of many reasons I registered as an Independent when I turned 18. We have a bunch of politicians that have been in Congress for decades and haven't been helpful in years which is why I think a) we need to have a purge of inefficient politicians and b) introduce an Amendment to the Constitution that will bring in term limits. Perhaps it's a solution for what has been a long-term problem.

Agreed.

And I don't believe in miracles.

[carpedm9587]

I wouldn't to so far as tar and feathers more like going to bed without dinner for his temper tantrum over not getting what he want right this minute.

That would make all of our politicians hungry