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    Jesus didn't want to save everyone?

    I recently came across something written by someone who has a divinity masters and is ordained.

    "And as soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables. 11 And He was saying to them, “To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God; but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12 in order that while seeing, they may see and not perceive; and while hearing, they may hear and not understand lest they return and be forgiven," (Mark 4:10-12).

    Jesus clearly tells his followers that the reason he is speaking in parables is so people will not be forgiven. Clearly, it is his intent that they be judged instead of forgiven.

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    Is this guy right?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I recently came across something written by someone who has a divinity masters and is ordained.
    A red flag in today's society.

    "And as soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables. 11 And He was saying to them, “To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God; but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12 in order that while seeing, they may see and not perceive; and while hearing, they may hear and not understand lest they return and be forgiven," (Mark 4:10-12).

    Jesus clearly tells his followers that the reason he is speaking in parables is so people will not be forgiven. Clearly, it is his intent that they be judged instead of forgiven.

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    Is this guy right?

    Thanks.
    No.

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    A red flag in today's society.



    No.
    Why is he wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Why is he wrong?
    I'd rather figure out why he believes himself to be right.

    That passage was before the mission given to the apostles to preach the good news to everyone. Until he had ascended Jesus was keeping a lid on things. I don't know why, but perhaps it was to prepare His Apostles and get them ready, perhaps it was a display of humility He wanted to teach them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Why is he wrong?
    Bad hermeneutics?

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Wasn't Jesus' divine identity supposed to be a secret until after the ascension? Otherwise Jesus would take all the honor like a infinite gravity well of holiness.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Wasn't Jesus' divine identity supposed to be a secret until after the ascension? Otherwise Jesus would take all the honor like a infinite gravity well of holiness.
    One of my favorite commentators says that Jesus wanted his disciples to "hold off" on spreading the news because they didn't yet have the "whole story".

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    One of my favorite commentators says that Jesus wanted his disciples to "hold off" on spreading the news because they didn't yet have the "whole story".
    They didn't figure it out until after the Resurrection, right? Though they did figure out that something was going on when Jesus calmed the storm and treated it like a minor inconvenience. Though, I wonder how Jesus felt about His disciples becoming afraid of Him right after calming the storm? They probably should have let Jesus sleep. Maybe pray for the storm to stop? Except that might wake Jesus up also.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    They didn't figure it out until after the Resurrection, right?
    Personally, I think it was after that. I can just imagine them sitting around the supper table, and one of them has an "aha moment", slaps his forehead, and says, "HEY, you remember when He broke the bread and passed it around, and said 'this is my body'? -- THAT's what He meant!"

    Though they did figure out that something was going on when Jesus calmed the storm and treated it like a minor inconvenience. Though, I wonder how Jesus felt about His disciples becoming afraid of Him right after calming the storm? They probably should have let Jesus sleep. Maybe pray for the storm to stop? Except that might wake Jesus up also.
    As I tell my Church members - we have the benefit of 2,000 years of hindsight - they, at the time, were "living history", and seeing it unfold bits and pieces at a time.

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Personally, I think it was after that. I can just imagine them sitting around the supper table, and one of them has an "aha moment", slaps his forehead, and says, "HEY, you remember when He broke the bread and passed it around, and said 'this is my body'? -- THAT's what He meant!"



    As I tell my Church members - we have the benefit of 2,000 years of hindsight - they, at the time, were "living history", and seeing it unfold bits and pieces at a time.
    We also have the Holy Spirit, which the disciples didn't have until after Pentecost.


    Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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