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Jesus didn't want to save everyone?

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  • #76
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
    Thank you for including the name of the English Bible version for your citation.
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    • #77


      "He has blinded their eyes
      and hardened their hearts,
      so they can neither see with their eyes,
      nor understand with their hearts,"

      God has blinded their eyes but somehow they can still see? He has hardened their hearts, but their hearts are still soft and somehow open to God? They can neither see nor understand, but yet they can somehow be held accountable for not being able to see or understand?

      You are yet to come up with a meaningful explanation of why this language is used about a free will situation in which a person could choose differently. The language and metaphors used give the opposite impression.
      Citing Christian3
      So, God sends the Messiah Jesus to save mankind and then God hardens the hearts of corporate Israel so they will not accept Jesus' message???
      indeed .
      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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      Scripture before Tradition:
      but that won't prevent others from
      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
      of the right to call yourself Christian.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
        Well, maybe you will subscribe to Origen's opinion?

        Source: Origen

        Sometimes it does not turn out to be an advantage for one to be healed quickly or superficially... Therefore God ... delays the healing of such persons and defers the remedy to a later time.

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        Or as Isaiah said "for how long, oh Lord?"

        Blessings,
        Lee
        Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to get across here. You're not giving me much context to work with.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          How about you take a look at the part where God is speaking to Isaiah in a vision, and that the language throughout is metaphorical and not literal?

          Unless you're prepared to argue that an angel literally scalded Isaiah's lips with a red hot coal.

          I would say you're smarter than this, but I'm not convinced I would be speaking the truth.

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