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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    We also have the Holy Spirit, which the disciples didn't have until after Pentecost.
    And they had Jesus.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    We also have the Holy Spirit, which the disciples didn't have until after Pentecost.
    And the written Word!

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And the written Word!
    And nearly(can't say 2000 years until the 2030's) 2000 years of brothers and sisters discussing things! And there's still stuff we may want to ask Jesus about when we see Him.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    2 Peter 3:8-10New International Version (NIV)

    8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Jesus clearly tells his followers that the reason he is speaking in parables is so people will not be forgiven. Clearly, it is his intent that they be judged instead of forgiven.
    Yes, that is his intent. Note that this is a quote from Isaiah, and Isaiah asks "for how long?"

    “Render the hearts of this people insensitive,
    Their ears dull,
    And their eyes dim,
    Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
    Hear with their ears,
    Understand with their hearts,
    And return and be healed.”

    Then I said, “Lord, how long?” And He answered,
    “Until cities are devastated and without inhabitant,
    Houses are without people
    And the land is utterly desolate, the LORD has removed men far away,
    And the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land." (Is 6:10–12)

    So we may ask how long Jesus had in mind, that this judgment would persist.

    Blessings,
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    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    And nearly(can't say 2000 years until the 2030's) 2000 years of brothers and sisters discussing things! And there's still stuff we may want to ask Jesus about when we see Him.
    As my theology professor in college always used to say, "One day, God is going to correct everybody's theology."
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    As my theology professor in college always used to say, "One day, God is going to correct everybody's theology."
    If he does that, he'll be accused of heresy (again).
    και εκζητησατε με και ευρησετε με οτι ζητησετε με εν ολη καρδία υμων

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    Why? The religious leaders didn't realize Who Jesus was. No one would dare to accuse Him of heresy when His divine nature is made clear to all.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I recently came across something written by someone who has a divinity masters and is ordained.

    "And as soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables. 11 And He was saying to them, “To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God; but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12 in order that while seeing, they may see and not perceive; and while hearing, they may hear and not understand lest they return and be forgiven," (Mark 4:10-12).

    Jesus clearly tells his followers that the reason he is speaking in parables is so people will not be forgiven. Clearly, it is his intent that they be judged instead of forgiven.

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    Is this guy right?

    Thanks.
    He is wrong. He is missing the context of Jesus' words - namely, Jesus is referring to Isaiah 6, Isaiah 44, Psalm 115, and Psalm 135. Jesus isn't saying that he's speaking in parables in order that people not understand him. He's saying that the people do not understand because they are like lifeless idols. They do not see/hear/understand because they are spiritually dead - they cannot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    He is wrong. He is missing the context of Jesus' words - namely, Jesus is referring to Isaiah 6, Isaiah 44, Psalm 115, and Psalm 135. Jesus isn't saying that he's speaking in parables in order that people not understand him. He's saying that the people do not understand because they are like lifeless idols. They do not see/hear/understand because they are spiritually dead - they cannot.
    They hardened their hearts -- God didn't do it -- they did it. This is in reference to Jesus' message. They couldn't or wouldn't accept it.

    In fact, the Jewish leaders this:

    Matthew 12:22-32Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
    A House Divided
    22 Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and unable to speak was brought to Him. He healed him, so that the man[a] could both speak and see. 23 And all the crowds were astounded and said, “Perhaps this is the Son of David!”

    24 When the Pharisees heard this, they said, “The man drives out demons only by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.”

    If they had been open to Jesus' claims they would have turned and been saved.

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