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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Money is a differentiator with respect to privilege, that is clear. We certainly need to deal with the disparity in our society between the richest and poorest. I don't know if anyone could argue successfully against or for the position that it's "the main" instance of privilege - but it is certainly an important one.
    Well, arguments about other forms of privilege always seem intertwined with financial considerations. The argument about whether there is a pay gap between men and women - obviously financial. Arguments about whether it is harder to find a good job as a minority, financial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    For the record, the term "white privilege" does not mean "white people are everywhere and always privileged in all circumstances."
    That's exactly what it means, and it furthet means that white people should feel guilty because they are "unjustly" privileged. If that's not what YOU mean then I suggest you refrain from using that term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    That's exactly what it means, and it furthet means that white people should feel guilty because they are "unjustly" privileged. If that's not what YOU mean then I suggest you refrain from using that term.
    I don't use the phrase and even I know that's not what the phrase means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I don't use the phrase and even I know that's not what the phrase means.
    Are you familiar with critical race theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Are you familiar with critical race theory?
    No, but I do know quite a few people who use the phrase frequently and elaborate on its meaning so I know that your definition is not the generally used definition of the term in common discourse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    No, but I do know quite a few people who use the phrase frequently and elaborate on its meaning so I know that your definition is not the generally used definition of the term in common discourse.
    "I don't know what it means. I just know you're wrong."

    Yeah, OK.

    That would explain why you don't understand the ugly racist implications behind the term "white privilege".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    "I don't know what it means. I just know you're wrong."

    Yeah, OK.

    That would explain why you don't understand the ugly racist implications behind the term "white privilege".
    No, that's not what I said. I said that regardless of how the term is technically used in academic discourse, that's not how it's generally used by people on the street.
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    A very good cartoon from a writer in my country on the subject of privilege:





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    That's exactly what it means, and it furthet means that white people should feel guilty because they are "unjustly" privileged. If that's not what YOU mean then I suggest you refrain from using that term.
    I have to kind of assume you're making this up. Plenty of US liberal commentators I listen to daily have used the term on various occasions, and they have consistently used it with the meanings Carpedm suggested and not the meanings you are suggesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Are you familiar with critical race theory?
    The wiki article on White Privilege cites a long list of definitions from various sources. Most are complex, but the simplest one is actually the one I agree with most, and guess what, it's from a book named Critical Race Theory: An Introduction:

    "White privilege" refers to the myriad of social advantages, benefits, and courtesies that come with being a member of the dominant race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    A very good cartoon from a writer in my country on the subject of privilege:
    Like the running track exercise, it just looks like more child abuse.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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