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    Link is busted... but still, Rachel Maddow? That's your source?

    She's as nutty as those people who say Neil Armstrong never walked on the moon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    I think this is the correct link.
    So... it's basically the "Ignore the man behind the curtain" spin that I predicted. She doesn't dispute any of the facts. On the contrary, she describes the story with reasonable accuracy but then suddenly says, "Never mind all of that. Look at this shiny object over here!" and morons like Jimmy go, "Ooooh! It's pretty!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    There is zero rationale for why any particular site is included in their hit list; they merely describe them collectively in highly disparaging terms.
    v.

    For a source to be labeled as junk news it must fall in
    at least three of the following five domains:
    • Professionalism: These outlets do not employ
    the standards and best practices of professional
    journalism. They refrain from providing clear
    information about real authors, editors,
    publishers and owners. They lack transparency,
    accountability, and do not publish corrections on
    debunked information.
    • Style: These outlets use emotionally driven
    language with emotive expressions, hyperbole,
    ad hominem attacks, misleading headlines,
    excessive capitalization, unsafe generalizations
    and fallacies, moving images, graphic pictures
    and mobilizing memes.
    • Credibility: These outlets rely on false
    information and conspiracy theories, which they
    often employ strategically. They report without
    consulting multiple sources and do not employ
    fact-checking methods. Their sources are often
    untrustworthy and their standards of news
    production lack credibility.
    • Bias: Reporting in these outlets is highly biased
    and ideologically skewed, which is otherwise
    described as hyper-partisan reporting. These
    outlets frequently present opinion and
    commentary essays as news.
    • Counterfeit: These outlets mimic professional
    news media. They counterfeit fonts, branding
    and stylistic content strategies. Commentary and
    junk content is stylistically disguised as news,
    with references to news agencies, and credible
    sources, and headlines written in a news tone,
    with bylines, date, time and location stamps.

    Sources of junk news were evaluated and reevaluated
    in a rigorously iterative coding process. A
    team of 12 trained coders, familiar with the US
    political and media landscape, labeled sources of
    news and information based ...

    Allow me to suggest that reading the methodology should probably come before posting characterizations of the methodology, but it's been three days, so I'm sure you've corrected this by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    This must be why Jim so rarely provides us with sources; they evoke responses like this more often than not.
    You got that right. I have found that it's hardly worth my time knowing the block heads i'm dealing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    So... it's basically the "Ignore the man behind the curtain" spin that I predicted. She doesn't dispute any of the facts. On the contrary, she describes the story with reasonable accuracy but then suddenly says, "Never mind all of that. Look at this shiny object over here!" and morons like Jimmy go, "Ooooh! It's pretty!"
    Obviously you didn't read the article. There's no shiny object MM. The fact of the matter is that both the Democrat, Warner, and the Republican, R. Burr, respective chairs of the Senate investigation, attempted to meet with and interview R. Steele. The fake news site that feeds your thought mechanism, i.e. Fox News, put their spin on it, and like the dumb sheep that you are, you just ate it up the way Fox et. al. have you trained to do. It's an investigation you dolt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lao tzu View Post
    v.

    For a source to be labeled as junk news it must fall in
    at least three of the following five domains:
    • Professionalism: These outlets do not employ
    the standards and best practices of professional
    journalism. They refrain from providing clear
    information about real authors, editors,
    publishers and owners. They lack transparency,
    accountability, and do not publish corrections on
    debunked information.
    • Style: These outlets use emotionally driven
    language with emotive expressions, hyperbole,
    ad hominem attacks, misleading headlines,
    excessive capitalization, unsafe generalizations
    and fallacies, moving images, graphic pictures
    and mobilizing memes.
    • Credibility: These outlets rely on false
    information and conspiracy theories, which they
    often employ strategically. They report without
    consulting multiple sources and do not employ
    fact-checking methods. Their sources are often
    untrustworthy and their standards of news
    production lack credibility.
    • Bias: Reporting in these outlets is highly biased
    and ideologically skewed, which is otherwise
    described as hyper-partisan reporting. These
    outlets frequently present opinion and
    commentary essays as news.
    • Counterfeit: These outlets mimic professional
    news media. They counterfeit fonts, branding
    and stylistic content strategies. Commentary and
    junk content is stylistically disguised as news,
    with references to news agencies, and credible
    sources, and headlines written in a news tone,
    with bylines, date, time and location stamps.

    Sources of junk news were evaluated and reevaluated
    in a rigorously iterative coding process. A
    team of 12 trained coders, familiar with the US
    political and media landscape, labeled sources of
    news and information based ...

    Allow me to suggest that reading the methodology should probably come before posting characterizations of the methodology, but it's been three days, so I'm sure you've corrected this by now.
    Allow me to inform you that I had read the methodology prior to posting, applied such methodology to, i.e., the Patriot Post, and determined that, whatever their jargon, they're not nearly as unbiased as they pretend. Heck, given their definitions, the Patriot Post doesn't even fail the bias test; it is biased (like pretty much every other source out there), but it is hardly guilty of presenting commentary or opinion as news. Thanks for checking. They presented their methodology, but neglected to provide their scoring or rationale (which is what I meant by "zero rationale") for any particular site on their list. I'm not familiar with 90% of the sites they list, and probably for good reason; I'd avoid a good deal of them from name alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    You got that right. I have found that it's hardly worth my time knowing the block heads i'm dealing with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    Obviously you didn't read the article. There's no shiny object MM. The fact of the matter is that both the Democrat, Warner, and the Republican, R. Burr, respective chairs of the Senate investigation, attempted to meet with and interview R. Steele. The fake news site that feeds your thought mechanism, i.e. Fox News, put their spin on it, and like the dumb sheep that you are, you just ate it up the way Fox et. al. have you trained to do. It's an investigation you dolt!
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    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Allow me to inform you that I had read the methodology prior to posting, applied such methodology to, i.e., the Patriot Post ...
    e.g.

    ... and determined that, whatever their jargon, they're not nearly as unbiased as they pretend.
    The Computational Propaganda Research Project is supported by our own National Science Foundation and the European Research Council, the Ford Foundation, the Knight Foundation, and a couple other organizations I've never heard of. The Project itself is run out of Oxford. It's legit.

    Analysis requires measures, and, while the need to be highly specific in describing those measures, as in any math-based field, does result in a technical vocabulary that can be sadly opaque to outsiders, it's inappropriate to label this language, dismissively, as "jargon."

    Heck, given their definitions, the Patriot Post doesn't even fail the bias test; it is biased (like pretty much every other source out there), but it is hardly guilty of presenting commentary or opinion as news.
    The criteria is three of five, and no, "pretty much every other source out there" isn't as bad. Most sites avoid conspiracy theories. This is a qualitative difference. Where the Washington Post made its mark on a generation of journalists with Woodward and Bernstein's revelations from "deep throat," the Patriot Post provides a welcome for otherwise unknown roadway entrepreneurs promoting "deep state" thinking.

    Thanks for checking. They presented their methodology, but neglected to provide their scoring or rationale (which is what I meant by "zero rationale") for any particular site on their list. I'm not familiar with 90% of the sites they list, and probably for good reason; I'd avoid a good deal of them from name alone.
    Leaving aside the further information on methodology at the main side, an example is given for each of the sources listed in the article as a "known propaganda website" and on a standalone seed list spreadsheet (some of which lead to 404 pages), including an example from the Patriot Post (which is still currently available). The example shows opinion formatted as news, highly partisan language, deficient sourcing, and a lack of fact-checking.

    There doesn't appear to be any reporting on the site at all, aside from a headline tracker filled with links to other sites on the list, echoing the study's findings.

    #notallstories

    But enough. It's junk news, piglet.

    But frankly, this is just data. Used with care, just about any data can be useful. Rasmussen polls, for example, can't be used for absolute measures, but when compared to themselves, are perfectly acceptable in showing trends.

    One of the more compelling outstanding questions in the past election was the impact of Russian influence exerted through social media. We know from Senate Judiciary Committee hearings, which have remained remarkably bipartisan, unlike others we might mention in the House, (and I hope you appreciate the unshortened url's, because they're slow torture when editing), that there were 36,000 Russian bots loose on Twitter, just for instance.

    It would be good to know how much of a threat this capability poses to our next elections. The numbers of accounts and bots mean nothing if we can't relate them to their impact on targeted constituencies. CPRP can't do that, but it can help identify constituencies that are more susceptible to targeting.

    That would be useful.

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    Source: Former State Dept. Official: I Fed Oppo Research from Sidney Blumenthal to Christopher Steele

    Former Obama State Department official Jonathan Winer, in an attempt to come clean and shape the narrative before being exposed, confirmed that he passed on a dossier from Clinton operatives to the author of the infamous Trump dossier.

    In an op-ed in the Washington Post on Thursday titled “Devin Nunes is investigating me. Here’s the truth,” Winer publicly confirmed reports that he had passed on a report he received from Clinton operatives to dossier author Christopher Steele in the fall of 2016, right before the election.

    He also confirmed that those Clinton operatives were aware of the dossier effort — making Hillary Clinton’s denials of knowing about the dossier even less credible than they were already.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...topher-steele/

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    The "Clinton operatives" in question were "long-time Clinton operative Sidney Blumenthal" and journalist Cody Shearer who has close personal and professional ties to the Clintons.

    And liberals are still trying to pretend that the dossier is legitimate, independent, and unbiased intelligence work.
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