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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Well it seems like Devin Nunes has gone all-in on trying to obstruct the Mueller investigation, so has written this 'memo' that's full of half-baked things designed to side-track the gullible down a half-dozen conspiracy theory paths and thus provide as much cover for Trump as possible.

    The Republican base will love it because they'll get a half-dozen new conspiracy theories to naively buy into. The time the media will have to spend debunking it will take away from the time they can spend paying attention to things like Trump firing FBI deputy-director Andrew McCabe today, and (soon likely) firing deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein, as part of the Trump administration clumsily working toward their ongoing goal of sinking the Mueller investigation before it hits.
    Seeing as how you've obviously read the memo, please name at least one of these "things" and explain specifically how that thing is "half-baked" and "designed to side-track the gullible down a half-dozen conspiracy theory paths and thus provide as much cover for Trump as possible."

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    The question is, if the memo shows that the special counsel investigation is based on improperly gathered evidence and false information, does that render the whole thing dead in the water, including whatever indictments have already been handed out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The question is, if the memo shows that the special counsel investigation is based on improperly gathered evidence and false information, does that render the whole thing dead in the water, including whatever indictments have already been handed out?
    Pfft. What are you, a Russian spy?*

    *trick question, everybody already knows you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    Pfft. What are you, a Russian spy?*

    *trick question, everybody already knows you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    This should be interesting, though I'm not sure why the Dems are so upset...
    I have not seen the memo, or the counter memo. I think the dems are upset because they believe the memo cherry-picks data to cast them (and the previous administration) in the worst possible light to provide a basis for shutting down Mueller. I have to admit that I am not impressed with Nunes, so I have some doubts. But I'm waiting until I can see the memo, the counter memo, and what investigative reporting can dig out (from both sides) before forming an opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    It was first reported that McCabe had stepped down. Later it was revealed that he had been fired by the FBI. There must be something pretty damning in the memo for the FBI to take that sort of action.
    I am not finding a report that he was fired. Apparently he has stepped down to a lesser position, hoping to hang in until he can get to his retirement date. Where is this report that he was fired?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    For the sake of accuracy, the memo has been reviewed by Director Wray (over the weekend, in an usual move), and today by two FBI specialists more familiar with the details it involves (one from the counter-intel division, the other a lawyer), and neither identified any inaccuracies. Of course that still leaves room for carping about how "complete" or "balanced" it is.

    Just for laffs -- In the crazy case that the memo turns out to credibly show that the entire basis for the Mueller probe was info gleaned by *improper* use of FISA, why should not the entire case be dropped as "fruit of the poisoned tree"?
    Please don't say "carping." It just makes me look bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    I am not finding a report that he was fired. Apparently he has stepped down to a lesser position, hoping to hang in until he can get to his retirement date. Where is this report that he was fired?
    There is this from Guy Benson. I've encountered explicit "safe to say he was 'removed'" language, but it all seems to trace back to Fox News.
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