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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat's how the liberal media is trying to spin it at any rate, and you're swallowing it hook, line, and sucker (autocorrect turned "sinker" into "sucker", but it seems appropriate, so I'm leaving it. ).
Look at your Snopes quote again. What's their source? Unnamed "officials", those infamous anonymous sources who always seem to tell the liberal media exactly what they want to hear. Anytime an article refuses to name names, you need to be suspicious. You gotta open your eyes and see this for yourself, carpe, because I won't always be around to point this stuff out to you.
Personally, I have no plans to let Trump's mantra sway me from confidence in the 4th estate. I will let the practices of these media outlets inform me. The WSJ is a news outlet with a pretty sterling reputation. I see no reason to begin questioning it now. And since they are not a liberal news outlet, they cannot be accused of a liberal "spin."
I'll leave you to your conclusions.Last edited by carpedm9587; 02-12-2018, 07:10 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI've been using, as an example, their opinion of the Patriot Post, so ...not an assumption.
They were initially named The Federalist. They changed their name to avoid confusion with The Federalist Society. Further, since I've been reading (well over a decade now), it has never been (or billed itself as) an independent news source. It has evolved somewhat, now putting out a news digest 5 days a week instead of MWF, but anything outside of the digest is going to be commentary/opinion pieces - including the one you brought up. I don't need something to be labeled an op-ed to successfully identify it as such. I'd think you'd be bright enough to do so as well, but for some slight amount of bias.
Well, yes, if you're determined to pick nits, State has no troops to send. State, however, theoretically has a direct line to CinC, who does. This is the 21st century, not the 19th.
Your opinion is duly noted. I'm not the one confusing a commentary piece with straight up news.
Before the sequence of financial faceplants that sent it back to the also-ran league, the Chicago Tribune provided quintessentially hard news for a hard news town. (Disclosure: some of my stories for a local college paper were picked up by the Tribune.) The editorial position was reliably conservative, making their standards good to recall. Most of the reporters i knew back then did their apprenticeships at Chicago's own City News Bureau.
If your mother says she loves you, check it out.State, however, theoretically has a direct line to CinC.
This hearkens back to another conspiracy theory, that Hillary issued a "stand down" order, which is counterfactual for much the same reasons. The SoS has no such authority. The military chain of command is not a nit, nor is the presence, on site, of a CIA contingent.
It would be nice to know, yes. I don't think it's remotely possible to find out, however; it would require extensive, unbiased polling of a group likely to give honest answers.
Agreed, to a point. We are an open society. It takes the efforts of a China or Iran to have a decent shot at squashing outside influence, and that takes a big bite out of the first amendment.
But like any other effort to stop foreign invasions, to the extent the laws have sufficient oversight to protect civil liberties, what the laws allow should be done.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe WSJ, as with most newspapers, have a long history of protecting sources for isues where someone is speaking on condition of anonimity, and have a practice of validating those sources in numerous ways. That has been a long, and accepted, model of reporting.
And I'll let you in on a little secret: this isn't something new. The mainstream media has always operated this way. It's just that before the advent of "new media" and other alternative sources of information, there was nobody around to call them out for their deceptions, so the public was conditioned to accept it as "that's just how it's done", but now we know better. Well, at least some of us know better. I realize that I am talking to the guy who depends on Media Bias Fact Check to tell him what to think, so perhaps I'm wasting my breath explaining this to you.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostThe FBI under Trump appointee Wray says that "we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy." In short, it is a misleading and dishonest document. It's primary purpose seemingly being to discredit the primary intelligence agencies in order save Trump from the closing in Russia investigation.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt has long been accepted, but so what? It should be obvious to anybody who's been paying attention for the last couple of years that phrases like "sources say" is a tip off that what you're reading is probably fake news, and that you should, at the very least, be extremely skeptical until it is confirmed through more credible methods, such as an official document, or someone willing to put their name on record.
And I'll let you in on a little secret: this isn't something new. The mainstream media has always operated this way. It's just that before the advent of "new media" and other alternative sources of information, there was nobody around to call them out for their deceptions, so the public was conditioned to accept it as "that's just how it's done", but now we know better. Well, at least some of us know better. I realize that I am talking to the guy who depends on Media Bias Fact Check to tell him what to think, so perhaps I'm wasting my breath explaining this to you.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI do not subscribe to your conspiracy theory...
Come on, carpe, you gotta be smarter than this.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOnly a low-information liberal would call common sense a "conspiracy theory".
Come on, carpe, you gotta be smarter than this.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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I read an editorial elsewhere noting just how studiously disinterested the media is in this whole affair. It has been a virtual blackout. The Nunes memo named names, but have you seen the mainstream attempt to talk to any of them? No, not even in a "Let's hear your side of the story to set the record straight" sort of way. It's like the mainstream media doesn't want to ask the questions because they're afraid of what the answers will be.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
I read an editorial elsewhere noting just how studiously disinterested the media is in this whole affair. It has been a virtual blackout. The Nunes memo named names, but have you seen the mainstream attempt to talk to any of them? No, not even in a "Let's hear your side of the story to set the record straight" sort of way. It's like the mainstream media doesn't want to ask the questions because they're afraid of what the answers will be.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI'm sure there is a broad-based conspiracy to do exactly that, MM....Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThis is a huge story, way bigger than Watergate. If there isn't a coordinated and concerted effort on the part of liberals to keep it out of the headlines then what's your theory for why the mainstream media is studiously disinterested in what could very well be the biggest scandal of the century?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThis is a huge story, way bigger than Watergate. If there isn't a coordinated and concerted effort on the part of liberals to keep it out of the headlines then what's your theory for why the mainstream media is studiously disinterested in what could very well be the biggest scandal of the century?
1. Although Trump is more a populist than conservative.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhen a conservative is involved then no evidence is even needed to keep it in the headlines (witness the Trump collusion story itself[1]) with comments like "it's the seriousness of the charge that matters" used to justify it.
1. Although Trump is more a populist than conservative.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOh whah, us poor persecuted conservative christians. Grow up. The MSM isn't making the news, they are reporting it, that it seems to be going against you may be because you are dupes represented by a bunch of con men, nut cases, and charlatans.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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