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  • #31
    Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Really? So what else is necessary? you'll always be a sinner by nature, right? So what else is necessary besides belief, and perhaps you could explain why belief is necessary too?
    Faith/loyalty. If you believe God exists, but do not accept Him in His rightful place as Lord, then that is rather pointless. Kind of hard to have loyalty/faith for someone you don't believe exists.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      duh. YOU do have to believe in God to go to heaven and be saved. But what you are being saved FROM is your own sins. So without God you pay for your own sins.
      No, you are not being saved from your sins, you're being saved from going to hell. Without god, you don't go to hell. You people don't really think this stuff through do you?
      Your sins send you to hell, God saves you from hell.
      No, your sins don't send you to hell, god sends you to hell for not believing in him. If it were true that your sins send you to hell, then that is only because god set it up that way which is the same as to say that god sends you to hell for your sins unless you believe in him.
      Now while you have to believe in God to be saved, you don't have to believe in him to be damned.
      Right, so you have to believe or you're damned, and the reason you're damned is because this god of yours set it up that way. So you have to believe period. Put it this way, if it were possible to be a sinnless atheist, would said sinnless atheist, go to heaven?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
        Faith/loyalty. If you believe God exists, but do not accept Him in His rightful place as Lord, then that is rather pointless. Kind of hard to have loyalty/faith for someone you don't believe exists.
        Egad! So like I've been saying, first of all one has to believe in your god, otherwise they are damned period.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by JimL View Post
          No, you are not being saved from your sins, you're being saved from going to hell. Without god, you don't go to hell. You people don't really think this stuff through do you?

          No, your sins don't send you to hell, god sends you to hell for not believing in him. If it were true that your sins send you to hell, then that is only because god set it up that way which is the same as to say that god sends you to hell for your sins unless you believe in him.

          Right, so you have to believe or you're damned, and the reason you're damned is because this god of yours set it up that way. So you have to believe period. Put it this way, if it were possible to be a sinnless atheist, would said sinnless atheist, go to heaven?
          This is pointless JimL. You think you can tell us what we believe? You are an idiot. But you will find out one day and at least we tried to reach you, so when you face God you will have no excuse.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            Egad! So like I've been saying, first of all one has to believe in your god, otherwise they are damned period.
            yes you are.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              This is pointless JimL. You think you can tell us what we believe? You are an idiot. But you will find out one day and at least we tried to reach you, so when you face God you will have no excuse.
              Hypothetically speaking Sparko, if it were possible to be a sinnless athiest, would said athiest go to heaven or would he go to hell for not believing?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                yes you are.
                Right, so like I said, your god and salvation is all about what one believes, not ones moral character, and if someone doesn't believe, then regardless of their moral character they are going to hell. Right?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  Hypothetically speaking Sparko, if it were possible to be a sinnless athiest, would said athiest go to heaven or would he go to hell for not believing?
                  Heaven.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    Right, so like I said, your god and salvation is all about what one believes, not ones moral character, and if someone doesn't believe, then regardless of their moral character they are going to hell. Right?
                    nope. You only go to hell if you sin.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      nope. You only go to hell if you sin.
                      Is rejecting God not a sin?
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        Is rejecting God not a sin?
                        actively yes. But they would have to believe in God to actively reject him. If their were someone who knew nothing of God and did not believe in him but lived a life without sin he would be saved. In practicality I don't think such a thing is possible, but theoretically it is.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          actively yes. But they would have to believe in God to actively reject him. If their were someone who knew nothing of God and did not believe in him but lived a life without sin he would be saved. In practicality I don't think such a thing is possible, but theoretically it is.
                          Well, what if someone knows nothing of god, doesn't believe in a god, but occassionally sinned like everyone else, do they go to hell simply because they neither know of, nor believe in, so don't pray to, said god?
                          Last edited by JimL; 02-05-2018, 02:32 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            actively yes. But they would have to believe in God to actively reject him.
                            You appear to be arguing that those who call themselves atheists really do believe in God.
                            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                            I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              Well, what if someone knows nothing of god, doesn't believe in a god, but occassionally sinned like everyone else, do they go to hell simply because they neither know of, nor believe in, so don't pray to, said god?
                              They go to hell for sinning.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                You appear to be arguing that those who call themselves atheists really do believe in God.
                                No. you were. You said "what if they reject God" - how can they reject something they don't believe in? I don't think an atheist will be going to hell because of the sin of rejecting something he doesn't believe in, but for the actual sins he commits.

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