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Deeper Waters is founded on the belief that the Christian community has long been in the shallow end of Christianity while there are treasures of the deep waiting to be discovered. Too many in the shallow end are not prepared when they go out beyond those waters and are quickly devoured by sharks. We wish to aid Christians to equip them to navigate the deeper waters of the ocean of truth and come up with treasure in the end.
We also wish to give special aid to those often neglected, that is, the disabled community. This is especially so since our founders are both on the autism spectrum and have a special desire to reach those on that spectrum. While they are a special emphasis, we seek to help others with any disability realize that God can use them and that they are as the Psalmist says, fearfully and wonderfully made.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostC'mon Sparko, even you can't be that stupid. No one can ask Jesus to save them if they had never even heard of his existence. In my case I have heard what I believe to be nonsense, so no, I do not know and yet refuse to accept it, I've heard and don't believe it. But we are no talking about me, I'm talking about all of those billions who died never having heard of Jesus.
Those who have never heard of him are on their own. They are sinners and without Jesus they will be judged on their actions and their conscience. Just like you will be. So that is why Christians spread the gospel so as many as can be will be saved. And then there are people like you who know the gospel, but reject it and mock it. You have no excuse. Worry about yourself.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhy do you keep repeating the same idiocy over and over? No you can't ask him to save you FROM YOUR SINS if you never heard of him. I covered this several posts ago. That is why we spread the gospel.
Those who have never heard of him are on their own. They are sinners and without Jesus they will be judged on their actions and their conscience. Just like you will be. So that is why Christians spread the gospel so as many as can be will be saved. And then there are people like you who know the gospel, but reject it and mock it. You have no excuse. Worry about yourself.
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Those that never heard are in the same boat as everyone before the time of Christ. Some philosophers consider that God may save anyone who would want to be saved if they knew. He who seeks, will find. Of course, actually becoming a Christian instead of merely having a vague pre-Christ faith in God is better. Of course, God will be true to His nature and do whatever the just thing is. And it's not as if He owes us annoying little brats anything for being jerks to Him. Even if we didn't intend to be,If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThose that never heard are in the same boat as everyone before the time of Christ.
Some philosophers consider that God may save anyone who would want to be saved if they knew.
He who seeks, will find.
Of course, actually becoming a Christian instead of merely having a vague pre-Christ faith in God is better. Of course, God will be true to His nature and do whatever the just thing is. And it's not as if He owes us annoying little brats anything for being jerks to Him. Even if we didn't intend to be,
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostYou really don't get it. You don't really want to spend eternity in God's presence. You'd rather have your own way. Fine. Just be careful what you wish for. You may just get it!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOkay, so that's what I said, your notion of god is that of an unjust god, a god who offers mercy and salvation to some while basically ignoring billions of others who due to their very nature will go to hell. Now, I don't buy any of this nonsense of course, but you're fooling yourself to refer to that treatment as just, and to define your god as just.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I do get it, you don't, which is why rather than giving a logical, coherent answer to the dilemma I pose, the unjust treatment of his people by your god, you attack me personally.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe options are there for everyone. Even you Jimmy. Choose God, Jim. Be saved.
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We don't know. Only God knows for sure what will happen. And He knows if they would have even accepted it or not. Some people think that they might not have accepted it. Or if someone would have accepted if they heard the gospel but won't ever hear it, then God might take them as a product of infant mortality.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo Sparko, the option was not there for billions who never even heard of your god. So, never having heard of Jesus, they didn't believe in Jesus, ergo they went to hell correct? Try to be clear about this.
again read Romans. it explains what happens to those "who never even heard" -- they will be judged on their own conscience and sins. Justly.
I am sick of going in circles with you JimL. You are either just trolling at this point or you are a complete moron. Which might work in your favor on judgment day because those who can't understand right from wrong, like children and the mentally retarded will be saved too. So you might have a chance.
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