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Originally posted by Sparko View Postduh. YOU do have to believe in God to go to heaven and be saved. But what you are being saved FROM is your own sins. So without God you pay for your own sins.
Your sins send you to hell, God saves you from hell.
Now while you have to believe in God to be saved, you don't have to believe in him to be damned.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostFaith/loyalty. If you believe God exists, but do not accept Him in His rightful place as Lord, then that is rather pointless. Kind of hard to have loyalty/faith for someone you don't believe exists.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, you are not being saved from your sins, you're being saved from going to hell. Without god, you don't go to hell. You people don't really think this stuff through do you?
No, your sins don't send you to hell, god sends you to hell for not believing in him. If it were true that your sins send you to hell, then that is only because god set it up that way which is the same as to say that god sends you to hell for your sins unless you believe in him.
Right, so you have to believe or you're damned, and the reason you're damned is because this god of yours set it up that way. So you have to believe period. Put it this way, if it were possible to be a sinnless atheist, would said sinnless atheist, go to heaven?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThis is pointless JimL. You think you can tell us what we believe? You are an idiot. But you will find out one day and at least we tried to reach you, so when you face God you will have no excuse.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postnope. You only go to hell if you sin.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIs rejecting God not a sin?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postactively yes. But they would have to believe in God to actively reject him. If their were someone who knew nothing of God and did not believe in him but lived a life without sin he would be saved. In practicality I don't think such a thing is possible, but theoretically it is.Last edited by JimL; 02-05-2018, 02:32 PM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postactively yes. But they would have to believe in God to actively reject him.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou appear to be arguing that those who call themselves atheists really do believe in God.
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