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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Before anything else you have to assent to his existence. In other words it's all about belief, and if you honestly don't believe in the invisible god, off to hell you go. Don't know why you guys can't admit to obvious facts!
    Read my post again, especially the first sentence. "Belief is necessary, but insufficient for salvation".

    Psalm 14
    For the director of music. Of David.
    1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
    “There is no God.”
    They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
    there is no one who does good.

    2 The Lord looks down from heaven
    on all mankind
    to see if there are any who understand,
    any who seek God.
    3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
    there is no one who does good,
    not even one.

    I'm beginning to think David was around someone like JimL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Read my post again, especially the first sentence. "Belief is necessary, but insufficient for salvation".

    Psalm 14
    For the director of music. Of David.
    1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
    “There is no God.”
    They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
    there is no one who does good.

    2 The Lord looks down from heaven
    on all mankind
    to see if there are any who understand,
    any who seek God.
    3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
    there is no one who does good,
    not even one.

    I'm beginning to think David was around someone like JimL.
    Hey dopey, before anything else you have to believe. Do you understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Hey dopey, before anything else you have to believe. Do you understand?
    For the third time, yes, I do understand. I even stated it when I said "Belief is necessary, but insufficient for salvation". How many times do I have to say it before you get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Before anything else you have to assent to his existence. In other words it's all about belief, and if you honestly don't believe in the invisible god, off to hell you go. Don't know why you guys can't admit to obvious facts!
    You are putting the cart before the horse. NOBODY would go to hell if they did not sin. That is what sends people to hell. No sin, no hell. But since you have sinned the only way to stop going to hell is to accept the free gift of salvation, which you can't do if you don't believe in God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    For the third time, yes, I do understand. I even stated it when I said "Belief is necessary, but insufficient for salvation". How many times do I have to say it before you get it?
    Consider with whom you're corresponding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You are putting the cart before the horse. NOBODY would go to hell if they did not sin. That is what sends people to hell. No sin, no hell. But since you have sinned the only way to stop going to hell is to accept the free gift of salvation, which you can't do if you don't believe in God.
    However it is you want to define sin, whether we were created or evolved, there is no such thing as a perfect person who does not sin, so the only relevant point is that in this world you must either believe in the Christian god or go to hell. In other words the fact that you are not perfect is an inherent fact of your existence, which would mean, according to your logic, that hell is your destiny-unless you believe in your god. So, what will you do in heaven, sin no more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    For the third time, yes, I do understand. I even stated it when I said "Belief is necessary, but insufficient for salvation". How many times do I have to say it before you get it?
    Really? So what else is necessary? you'll always be a sinner by nature, right? So what else is necessary besides belief, and perhaps you could explain why belief is necessary too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Really? So what else is necessary? you'll always be a sinner by nature, right? So what else is necessary besides belief, and perhaps you could explain why belief is necessary too?
    Believe that Jesus died for your sins and make him Lord of your life and ask him to forgive your sins and save you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Believe that Jesus died for your sins and make him Lord of your life and ask him to forgive your sins and save you.
    Yeah, you already said that, you first have to believe that Jesus exists and is god. That's the whole point, you have to believe the whole thing is not a fairy tale. Believe it or go to hell! ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Yeah, you already said that, you first have to believe that Jesus exists and is god. That's the whole point, you have to believe the whole thing is not a fairy tale. Believe it or go to hell! ridiculous.
    duh. YOU do have to believe in God to go to heaven and be saved. But what you are being saved FROM is your own sins. So without God you pay for your own sins.

    Your sins send you to hell, God saves you from hell. Now while you have to believe in God to be saved, you don't have to believe in him to be damned.

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