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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    The natural order of things seer, is change.
    Primates and men have been dominating females for thousands and probably millions of years, and in most the world still do. I don't see it changing much soon... Not that change is necessarily good...
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • Originally posted by seer View Post
      Well we have thousands of years of human history to learn from, and primate history.
      Unlike the other primates humans have the capacity to adapt and modify their social values.

      Isn't nature great!
      Given that "nature" is all there is then the question of whether or not it is "great" does't arise. It just "is".

      Well obviously then men dominating women has survival value. I'm good with that, how about you?
      It obviously did once have survival value, just as tribalism did. But human morality isn't static, it changes and adapts to better ensure survival, or haven't you noticed.
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post
        Primates and men have been dominating females for thousands and probably millions of years, and in most the world still do. I don't see it changing much soon... Not that change is necessarily good...
        If you don't see it changing, it's because you haven't really been looking.

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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          Unlike the other primates humans have the capacity to adapt and modify their social values.
          But why would we want to modify this particular social value. Why should or would men give up their power or control?


          It obviously did once have survival value, just as tribalism did. But human morality isn't static, it changes and adapts to better ensure survival, or haven't you noticed.
          You are not making sense, why would not dominating women be better than dominating women as far as survival goes? We and the primates do just fine with the dominating thing...
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
            If you don't see it changing, it's because you haven't really been looking.
            It has changed a little in the West, but we are a small part of the world. Look at the Muslim countries, Africa, Asia, South America, etc... But you keep assuming that it is wrong for men to dominate women.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • Originally posted by seer View Post
              It has changed a little in the West, but we are a small part of the world. Look at the Muslim countries, Africa, Asia, South America, etc... But you keep assuming that it is wrong for men to dominate women.
              I never said that either case was right or wrong in and of itself, I suggested that things change and we adapt accordingly. But I think we're getting sidetracked a bit. The point was that with a male dominated culture, you're going to get a god made in the male image, it's always been the case no matter the particular god and culture in question.

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              • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                I never said that either case was right or wrong in and of itself, I suggested that things change and we adapt accordingly.
                OK...

                The point was that with a male dominated culture, you're going to get a god made in the male image, it's always been the case no matter the particular god and culture in question.
                That doesn't necessarily follow, there have been male dominated cultures who worshiped goddesses...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post


                  That doesn't necessarily follow, there have been male dominated cultures who worshiped goddesses...
                  Certainly, but the top gods were male, e.g. Jupiter in the Roman pantheon or Wotan in the Norse pantheon.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    Certainly, but the top gods were male, e.g. Jupiter in the Roman pantheon or Wotan in the Norse pantheon.
                    You still haven't told me why male domination is wrong. It seems to be quite conducive to survival. As a matter of fact since the feminist movement has come into vogue, here in the US alone, we have killed close to 50 million of our unborn. How is killing our offspring by the truckload a good survival strategy?
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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