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Thread: Debate Offer: Is the Holy Spirit God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    No.

    I would like to debate and prove that the Holy Spirit is not God according to the Bible and particularly according to Jesus own words.
    Okay, thanks for the clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    No.

    I would like to debate and prove that the Holy Spirit is not God according to the Bible and particularly according to Jesus own words.
    Then do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Then do it.
    please nominate or stand up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    please nominate or stand up.
    You don't have to do one-on-one debate on TWeb. In fact you can often get a better discussion with more people involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    please nominate or stand up.
    You are going to have to discuss this subject with everyone anyway, so you start.

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    Jesus said that God is the only true God (John 17:3).
    Jesus said that God is a Spirit (John 4:24).
    Jesus called God Holy (John 17:11).
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    37818 stating that "Jesus said that God is the only true God (John 17:3)" is not accurate because in John 17:3, Jesus called specifically the Father (not God) "the only true God" as follows;

    "After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

    “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

    Jesus calling the Father "the only true God" proves that the Holy Spirit is not God.

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    I think you need to clarify what you mean by your proposition that the Holy Spirit is not God. Do you, for example, mean the Holy Spirit is not God in person? Do you mean the Holy Spirit is not God ontologically? Jesus' declaration that the Father is the only true God is obviously a nuanced assertion. It must be because the Bible speaks factually about other persons as God. Or perhaps I should say the Bible speaks of other persons as GOD/god, recognizing that in the earliest NT manuscripts every letter of every word was capitalized and in the somewhat later manuscripts nothing was capitalized. The modern Christian practice of capitalizing the first letter only of "God" is intended to distinguish the person in question as belonging to the Trinity -- three distinct persons possessing ontological equality, two of whom have their origin in the third. (This is how the early church fathers understood the Trinity.)

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    Moderated By: Littlejoe

    This is not the correct area to debate. This is the area to determine who and what will be debated.

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