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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    so it is going to take 10 pages to refute a 3 page memo? I smell a lot of spin coming our way, but I am for releasing as much information from both sides as possible.
    Why does "length" have anything to do with "truth?"
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    • #17
      Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
      Why does "length" have anything to do with "truth?"
      Usually "truth" is simple and lies are complex.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Usually "truth" is simple and lies are complex.
        OK, I cannot resist this...

        So E=MC2 is truth...

        And the bible is lies...




        (errr... that's a joke. It just happens to follow from your logic)
        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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        • #19
          Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
          OK, I cannot resist this...

          So E=MC2 is truth...

          And the bible is lies...




          (errr... that's a joke. It just happens to follow from your logic)
          Meh

          The Bible contains many truths which are, indeed, simple.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Usually "truth" is simple and lies are complex.
            I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it's always as simple as that.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Meh

              The Bible contains many truths which are, indeed, simple.
              Spoilsport
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • #22
                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                Spoilsport
                It's my job, it's what I do.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  It's my job, it's what I do.



                  Consider the bromance terminated...
                  The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                  I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                    OK, I cannot resist this...

                    So E=MC2 is truth...

                    And the bible is lies...




                    (errr... that's a joke. It just happens to follow from your logic)
                    The bible is not really that complex. It contains the story of God and of mankind from creation till the judgment. Pretty short for such a topic.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      The bible is not really that complex. It contains the story of God and of mankind from creation till the judgment. Pretty short for such a topic.
                      But it's LONG...so it must be false. You said so! And E=MC2 is short - so it must be true!


                      P.S. I'm just yanking your chain. I know you are not that simplistic.
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        But it's LONG...so it must be false. You said so! And E=MC2 is short - so it must be true!


                        P.S. I'm just yanking your chain. I know you are not that simplistic.


                        Ever watch COPS or LivePD? When they question someone and they start telling a crazy convoluted story that makes no sense? Someone telling the truth will just state the facts (most of the time) and the story will be pretty easy to follow. That's what I was getting at.
                        Last edited by Sparko; 02-06-2018, 11:00 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post


                          Ever watch COPS or LivePD? When they question someone and they start telling a crazy convoluted story that makes no sense? Someone telling the truth will just state the facts (most of the time) and the story will be pretty easy to follow. That's what I was getting at.
                          But to generalize the idea is a logical fallacy, IMO. We see this dynamic at work in many places: the gun control debate, climate science, religious discussions, etc. Sometimes, a lie is very simple, and it requires significant work/evidence to refute it.
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post


                            Ever watch COPS or LivePD? When they question someone and they start telling a crazy convoluted story that makes no sense? Someone telling the truth will just state the facts (most of the time) and the story will be pretty easy to follow. That's what I was getting at.
                            On the other hand, ya gotta watch those with a very clear concise story -- one that seems "practiced".
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              But to generalize the idea is a logical fallacy, IMO. We see this dynamic at work in many places: the gun control debate, climate science, religious discussions, etc. Sometimes, a lie is very simple, and it requires significant work/evidence to refute it.
                              A lie, repeated enough times, becomes "true".

                              And the BEST lies contain a vast majority of truth!
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                A lie, repeated enough times, becomes "true".
                                Yeah - a technique Mr. Trump is VERY familiar with.

                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                And the BEST lies contain a vast majority of truth!
                                That is about convincing, and also a technique Mr. Trump knows quite well.

                                Indeed, he brags about his effective use of it in "The Art of the Deal." I don't think the man is a liar simply because he does so with regularity. I think the man is a liar because he labels himself that way and considers it "acceptable."
                                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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