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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Hopefully Mueller issues another round of indictments within the next week and releases a bit more information about how his investigation is going.
    Maybe this time they will have something at least remotely to do with what Trump was doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Maybe this time they will have something at least remotely to do with what Trump was doing.
    Yup, well hopefully.

    Investigations apparently typically work by closing in around the target firstly by flipping someone on the outer edge and giving them a plea bargain in exchange for information on the next layer in, and then again to work their way into the center. We've had a group of 4 people on the outer edge indicted and much talk of deals made with them and flipping of them. Most liberal commentators appeared to be expecting two more sets of indictments, firstly of a middlely-involved group and subsequent attempts to flip them, and finally of Trump and his immediate conspirators.

    Of course, in the case of Papadopoulos it turned out he had been indicted months earlier and had flipped and been wearing a wire for Mueller. So if it was months before that information became public, it's totally possible that Mueller has issued more indictments that simply haven't been made public yet. Given the information being leaked about Flynn's plea deal it seemed pretty certain that they were getting enough information out of Flynn to indict someone else (otherwise why give him so much leniency?), and so far it hasn't been made public who was indicted (or is to be indicted) with Flynn's information.

    The investigation looks to be drawing to a close with it being made clear that Mueller wants to interview Trump, as commentators have noted that investigators always interview the top guy last after they have gathered all the other information and thus know exactly what questions to ask (and can tell if the answers are lies). However, it seems like Trump is trying to refuse to be interviewed, which may complicate the wrap-up of the investigation. Honestly I'd prefer to have it over regardless of how it turns out, as the investigation's existence ties up time and media focus that would be better spent focusing on Trump's horrible policies (e.g. the Republican 'deficit hawks' increasing the deficit by 84%, or them casually spending an extra $100 billion (double what making college tuition free would cost) on defense spending this year, or them taking healthcare away from people etc...).


    P.S. Just spotted this headline in my newsfeed, out today:
    BOB MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION IS LARGER—AND FURTHER ALONG—THAN YOU THINK:

    the Mueller investigation appears to have been picking up steam in the past three weeks—and homing in on a series of targets...

    What are the known knowns of the Mueller investigation, and where might it be heading?

    The first thing we know is that we know it is large.

    We speak about the “Mueller probe” as a single entity, but it’s important to understand that there are no fewer than five (known) separate investigations under the broad umbrella of the special counsel’s office...

    1. Preexisting Business Deals and Money Laundering...
    2. Russian Information Operations...
    3. Active Cyber Intrusions...
    4. Russian Campaign Contacts...
    5. Obstruction of Justice...

    ...large parts of the investigation remain out of sight. While we’ve seen four indictments or guilty pleas, they only involve threads one (money laundering) and four (Russian campaign contacts). We haven’t seen any public moves or charges by Mueller’s team regarding the information operations, the active cyber intrusions, or the obstruction of justice investigation.

    ...Mueller has in recent weeks been interviewing senior and central figures, like Comey and Sessions. He’s also begun working to interview President Trump himself. Given that standard procedure would be to interview the central figure in an investigation last—when all the evidence is gathered—it seems likely that such interest means that Mueller is confident he knows what he needs to know for the obstruction case, at least.
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    so it is going to take 10 pages to refute a 3 page memo? I smell a lot of spin coming our way, but I am for releasing as much information from both sides as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    I expect he will. Probably unhappily.
    According to one congressional Republican, the Democrat version of the memo tries to reach different conclusions but doesn't actually dispute any of the facts contained in the first memo.

    Source: House Intel Committee Votes Unanimously to Release Democratic Memo

    Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) told reporters on Friday that there were some “errors” in [the Democrat] memo, and it attempts to draw “different conclusions.”

    “Having read the Democrat memo already, and I’ve gone on record to say if they’ll correct some of the errors in their memo, which was really a counter-memo to this memo, trying to spin a different narrative, it did not contradict any of the facts that are in this memo,” he said.

    “So anything that you’ve read in the four pages, there is nothing in their memo that would contradict those facts,” he said...

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...mocratic-memo/

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    For example, according to the Washington Compost, Democrats are saying that the FBI did disclose that "the research was being paid for by a political entity", which is such a charmingly vague euphemism and conceals the fact that it was unverified research from a source that was strongly biased against Trump and paid for by Hillary and the Democrats. Even worse, it seems that Hillary and her buddies were feeding information to Steele through Obama's State Department.

    Source: Clinton Associates Fed Information to Dossier Author Steele, Grassley-Graham Memo Says

    According to Grassley and Graham’s memo, which is heavily redacted at the request of the FBI, a foreign source gave information to friends of Bill and Hillary Clinton, who then gave it to an Obama State Department official, who then gave it to Steele.

    Grassley and Graham’s memo stated:

    One memorandum by Mr. Steele that was not published by Buzzfeed is dated October 19, 2016. The report alleges [redacted], as well as [redacted]. Mr. Steele’s memorandum states that his company ‘received his report from [redacted] US State Department,’ that the report was the second in a series, and that the report was information that came from a foreign sub-source who ‘is in touch with [redacted], a contact of [redacted], a friend of the Clintons, who passed it to [redacted].

    “It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele’s work, but these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility,” Grassley and Graham wrote.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ham-memo-says/

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    As Mark Levin astutely observed, "Hillary Clinton paid for a warrant. That’s the easiest way we can put it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    According to one congressional Republican, the Democrat version of the memo tries to reach different conclusions but doesn't actually dispute any of the facts contained in the first memo.

    Source: House Intel Committee Votes Unanimously to Release Democratic Memo

    Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) told reporters on Friday that there were some “errors” in [the Democrat] memo, and it attempts to draw “different conclusions.”

    “Having read the Democrat memo already, and I’ve gone on record to say if they’ll correct some of the errors in their memo, which was really a counter-memo to this memo, trying to spin a different narrative, it did not contradict any of the facts that are in this memo,” he said.

    “So anything that you’ve read in the four pages, there is nothing in their memo that would contradict those facts,” he said...

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...mocratic-memo/

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    For example, according to the Washington Compost, Democrats are saying that the FBI did disclose that "the research was being paid for by a political entity", which is such a charmingly vague euphemism and conceals the fact that it was unverified research from a source that was strongly biased against Trump and paid for by Hillary and the Democrats. Even worse, it seems that Hillary and her buddies were feeding information to Steele through Obama's State Department.

    Source: Clinton Associates Fed Information to Dossier Author Steele, Grassley-Graham Memo Says

    According to Grassley and Graham’s memo, which is heavily redacted at the request of the FBI, a foreign source gave information to friends of Bill and Hillary Clinton, who then gave it to an Obama State Department official, who then gave it to Steele.

    Grassley and Graham’s memo stated:

    One memorandum by Mr. Steele that was not published by Buzzfeed is dated October 19, 2016. The report alleges [redacted], as well as [redacted]. Mr. Steele’s memorandum states that his company ‘received his report from [redacted] US State Department,’ that the report was the second in a series, and that the report was information that came from a foreign sub-source who ‘is in touch with [redacted], a contact of [redacted], a friend of the Clintons, who passed it to [redacted].

    “It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele’s work, but these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility,” Grassley and Graham wrote.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ham-memo-says/

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    As Mark Levin astutely observed, "Hillary Clinton paid for a warrant. That’s the easiest way we can put it."
    The inclusion of more information from the original material definitely leads to a different conclusion. We shall wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    so it is going to take 10 pages to refute a 3 page memo? I smell a lot of spin coming our way, but I am for releasing as much information from both sides as possible.
    Why does "length" have anything to do with "truth?"
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

    -Martin Luther King

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Why does "length" have anything to do with "truth?"
    Usually "truth" is simple and lies are complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Usually "truth" is simple and lies are complex.
    OK, I cannot resist this...

    So E=MC2 is truth...

    And the bible is lies...




    (errr... that's a joke. It just happens to follow from your logic)
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

    -Martin Luther King

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    OK, I cannot resist this...

    So E=MC2 is truth...

    And the bible is lies...




    (errr... that's a joke. It just happens to follow from your logic)
    Meh

    The Bible contains many truths which are, indeed, simple.

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Usually "truth" is simple and lies are complex.
    I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it's always as simple as that.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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