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This is the forum to discuss the spectrum of views within Christianity on God's foreknowledge and election such as Calvinism, Arminianism, Molinism, Open Theism, Process Theism, Restrictivism, and Inclusivism, Christian Universalism and what these all are about anyway. Who is saved and when is/was their salvation certain? How does God exercise His sovereignty and how powerful is He? Is God timeless and immutable? Does a triune God help better understand God's love for mankind?

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  • #76
    Originally posted by The Remonstrant View Post
    I would encourage you to send this word of correction to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops: <http://www.usccb.org/bible/books-of-the-bible>.
    I'm not Catholic, so why should they care what I say? For that matter, neither are you - so why should YOU care what they say?

    It's entirely possible that the Roman Catholics dogmatized a canonical order at, e.g., Trent. However, that does not apply to those outside their jurisdiction.
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    • #77
      (1) They likely would not. (2) I generally do not.

      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      It's entirely possible that the Roman Catholics dogmatized a canonical order at, e.g., Trent. However, that does not apply to those outside their jurisdiction.
      Yes, I understand that you are not a Roman Catholic.
      For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>

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      • #78
        Originally posted by The Remonstrant View Post
        (1) They likely would not. (2) I generally do not.

        So why bother bringing them up?
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • #79
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          So why bother bringing them up?
          Last edited by The Remonstrant; 02-18-2018, 09:40 PM.
          For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            [1] If you think about it, since God preknows [sic] everything, including who will be saved and who won't be, in some sense weren't we "saved" even before we believed? In God's eyes anyway.
            God (fore)knows when a person will enter into positive relationship with him through his Son in time, yes. Only open theists would deny this. Nevertheless, an individual is not properly regarded as a child of God* prior to actually receiving Christ. One goes from being a child of wrath (Eph. 2.3) to being a child of obedience (1 Pet. 1.14). This transition occurs in time. God accurately recognises the state of persons as they are in time, whether (or whenever) they are alienated from him or reconciled to him by his Son. Divine foreknowledge in no way alters or negates this.

            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            He will protect his own, so I think that anyone who would be saved will be saved.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Adrift View Post
              [I]n Molinism, you decided to accept Jesus when you were 40, and then God knew it. As I understand Molinist thought, though God knew you would accept Jesus chronologically prior to you doing so, but you did so ontologically prior to God's knowledge. [I]n someone like Craig's view of Molinism, God ordered the world so that the most people who could come to saving faith would do so, but I'm not so certain that God selects for who makes that choice (making sure that you, personally, get the chance), only that the most who will, will do so. I don't know. It's a fine distinction I suppose, but the phrase "we were saved before we believed" just sounds off to me (even with passages like Jeremiah 1:5, and Galatians 1:15 which seem to indicate sanctification, but not salvation). Perhaps I'm just overthinking it though. [emphasis added]
              Last edited by The Remonstrant; 02-20-2018, 11:28 PM.
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              • #82
                Interesting. Thanks for the insight Remonstrant.

                As an aside, I'm not too fond of having my posts corrected for grammar either, so if you wouldn't mind, I'd rather you just quote the post as I've written it. Thanks!

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                  Interesting. Thanks for the insight Remonstrant.

                  As an aside, I'm not too fond of having my posts corrected for grammar either, so if you wouldn't mind, I'd rather you just quote the post as I've written it. Thanks!
                  Apart from a possible lapse of memory, I will honour your request.
                  For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>

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