about Eden

[greentwiga]

But we can assume at minimum, all have been embellished.

Why? The Semitic culture has a history of memorizing stories word for word and passing them down through generations. You are using a greek cultural model where a basic story is maintained, but embellished as each storyteller sees fit. In Anthropology, it is very important to not use one culture to analyze another.

[mikeledo]

Why? The Semitic culture has a history of memorizing stories word for word and passing them down through generations. You are using a greek cultural model where a basic story is maintained, but embellished as each storyteller sees fit. In Anthropology, it is very important to not use one culture to analyze another.

It is human nature. Besides, the Bible has definite signs of additions to the text.

[greentwiga]

It is human nature. Besides, the Bible has definite signs of additions to the text.

No, You are looking at it from an American viewpoint. You have never listened to a person quote a extremely lengthy religious text word perfect, as I have. Again, you are referring to certain scholars who try to show that there were major additions. All I have seen are minor textual corruptions.

[mikeledo]

No, You are looking at it from an American viewpoint. You have never listened to a person quote a extremely lengthy religious text word perfect, as I have. Again, you are referring to certain scholars who try to show that there were major additions. All I have seen are minor textual corruptions.

I am not making reference to certain scholar's work. I am speaking from my own observations and writing. My claim is that there major additions to the OT, far more tahn modern scholars suggest. My examing the techniques used in that era and region for text addition (Tigay's work on Gilgamesh) I have discovered that the Bible is rich in those same techniques. We also know from the DSS that additional passages and whole Psalms were still being added.

[greentwiga]

I am not making reference to certain scholar's work. I am speaking from my own observations and writing. My claim is that there major additions to the OT, far more tahn modern scholars suggest. My examing the techniques used in that era and region for text addition (Tigay's work on Gilgamesh) I have discovered that the Bible is rich in those same techniques. We also know from the DSS that additional passages and whole Psalms were still being added.

Some read the creation stories and assume the Sumerian was the first. They then maintain that the Bible's version just was a series of modifications. Other scholars look at the Sumerian/Babylonian versions and see how they change over time. They then ignore the Semitic traditions that are able to keep stories accurate over centuries and assume the Bible changed as did the stories in the Sumerian culture. Finally, many claim that the Creation story was not written in this form until ~600 BC. It is quite possible for the story of creation to have been passed down verbally word perfect from the time of Adam until Moses, and then put into written form. My analysis of the story of Eden shows me how accurate the story is.

[mikeledo]

Some read the creation stories and assume the Sumerian was the first. They then maintain that the Bible's version just was a series of modifications. Other scholars look at the Sumerian/Babylonian versions and see how they change over time. They then ignore the Semitic traditions that are able to keep stories accurate over centuries and assume the Bible changed as did the stories in the Sumerian culture. Finally, many claim that the Creation story was not written in this form until ~600 BC. It is quite possible for the story of creation to have been passed down verbally word perfect from the time of Adam until Moses, and then put into written form. My analysis of the story of Eden shows me how accurate the story is.

That is simply impossible. Snakes do not talk. As a rule, lesser civilizations copy from greater civilizations. .

[runtmc2jc]

Just to throw some poo-poo in the game.... where does the epic of Gilgamesh and other ancient texts stand with respect to codes ??? (i.e. the (in)famous Bible codes) ???.... do these other ancient texts exhibit any of the characteristics of the Bible codes ??? and if so, to what relative degree, and if not, what does that say about the authorship, accuracy and pre-eminence of the Biblical account ???

[mikeledo]

Just to throw some poo-poo in the game.... where does the epic of Gilgamesh and other ancient texts stand with respect to codes ??? (i.e. the (in)famous Bible codes) ???.... do these other ancient texts exhibit any of the characteristics of the Bible codes ??? and if so, to what relative degree, and if not, what does that say about the authorship, accuracy and pre-eminence of the Biblical account ???

Oh please. Stop with the phoney Bible Codes.

[greentwiga]

That is simply impossible. Snakes do not talk. As a rule, lesser civilizations copy from greater civilizations. .

Read up on the Oracle at Delphi. They had priestesses who had the title pythia. The temple was on a mountain, in a grove of trees, at a spring. They sat on a stool above the spring and received oracles, according to their beliefs, from the Python, a serpent. Though this was put into a Greek religious setting, it seems it started as a mother Goddess fertility (of land and animals and women) religion. In Sumerian religion, the tree of life seems to have played an important role in this.

Eden was on a mountain, in a grove of trees, at a spring. Again, Eve talked to the serpent. The story is a total rejection of this other religion and even follows the Biblical theme that the false gods do have demons/the Devil behind them. Notice the curses. Adam has a harder time farming (fertility of the land decreases by consulting the serpent.) Eve has a harder time in childbirth (fertility of the womb is decreased by consulting the serpent.) There are no actual talking snakes in this passage.

This story was from the invention of agriculture, 9,000 BC. There were no greater civilizations for Adam to copy.

[mikeledo]

Read up on the Oracle at Delphi. They had priestesses who had the title pythia. The temple was on a mountain, in a grove of trees, at a spring. They sat on a stool above the spring and received oracles, according to their beliefs, from the Python, a serpent. Though this was put into a Greek religious setting, it seems it started as a mother Goddess fertility (of land and animals and women) religion. In Sumerian religion, the tree of life seems to have played an important role in this.

Eden was on a mountain, in a grove of trees, at a spring. Again, Eve talked to the serpent. The story is a total rejection of this other religion and even follows the Biblical theme that the false gods do have demons/the Devil behind them. Notice the curses. Adam has a harder time farming (fertility of the land decreases by consulting the serpent.) Eve has a harder time in childbirth (fertility of the womb is decreased by consulting the serpent.) There are no actual talking snakes in this passage.

This story was from the invention of agriculture, 9,000 BC. There were no greater civilizations for Adam to copy.

Snakes have no vocal cords. If your religion has a talking snake in it: it is false.

The serpent in th garden is nothing more than a representation of the constellation of Hydra. The story has nothing to do with agriculture. It was the story of creation as told by the summer solstice constellations. The time must be 4000-2000 BCE because of how the constellations line up. The name "Eve" comes from the Hititte goddess "Heva" or "Heba." It would not be older than 1600 BCE., hence the name of Eve came after the story was invented. The original tale could not have mentioned her name.

[greentwiga]

Actually, there was a time when a star in Draco, the Dragon, was the pole star. I believe that it was after the time of Adam, but it is a source of some of the serpent ideas.

Why do you keep imputing the talking snake on me?

you do seem to be only allowing ideas that support your ideas. How do you prove Hydra? the Hittite Goddess Heva? those are unsupported claims while ruling out the idea that there were other sources.

[mikeledo]

Actually, there was a time when a star in Draco, the Dragon, was the pole star. I believe that it was after the time of Adam, but it is a source of some of the serpent ideas.

Why do you keep imputing the talking snake on me?

you do seem to be only allowing ideas that support your ideas. How do you prove Hydra? the Hittite Goddess Heva? those are unsupported claims while ruling out the idea that there were other sources.

The name Eve coming from the Hittite Heva can be found in the endnotes of "Hebrew Myths" by Robert Graves. It appears to be an accepted scholarly conclusion. The ex-pole star in Draco is a popular idea, but it is a red herring. There is no evidence Draco was considered to be a dragon or serpent back then. The idea that the serpent was "kicked out" because of procession/precession is absurd because the movement would have taken 2,000 years.

Hydra is an easy conclusion once you know that Virgo is the cosmic Eve and Adam is Leo/Asad. Hydra right below it is the serpent underfoot cursed to eat dust as it is located near the earth.

The reason why I rule out other ideas that don't support mine is because they are easy to disprove. I have also recovered the Middle Bronze Age bible that preceeded the book of J by proper deconstruction of the text. This allows me to see more clearly the true origin of the text by removing passages added on over the centuries. No one else has done this because "scholars" are content to live with the problems associated with Wellhausen's document hypothesis or the unified text theory. Both are in a sense wrong and right. The bible was a living document, added on to over the centuries.

[greentwiga]

Interestingly, if Draco was the dragon, 1/3 of the permanent pole stars would have become stars that fell to earth by the time of 90 AD, the time of the writing of Revelations 12. The math is complicated bacause it depends on the degrees North for the observation point. I used Jerusalem.

[mikeledo]

Interestingly, if Draco was the dragon, 1/3 of the permanent pole stars would have become stars that fell to earth by the time of 90 AD, the time of the writing of Revelations 12. The math is complicated bacause it depends on the degrees North for the observation point. I used Jerusalem.

By 90 AD Draco was well established as a dragon. There is an ancient prophecy involving Draco poisoning the earth that is also non-biblical. It would involve meteors striking the earth and poisoning the waters. Draco is a northern constellation. Meteors are made from iron and tend to be attracted to the poles. This cycle happens ever 3,000 years or so.

[greentwiga]

By 90 AD Draco was well established as a dragon. There is an ancient prophecy involving Draco poisoning the earth that is also non-biblical. It would involve meteors striking the earth and poisoning the waters. Draco is a northern constellation. Meteors are made from iron and tend to be attracted to the poles. This cycle happens ever 3,000 years or so.

I am not talking about meteors, but stars that never set and now set, due to the precession of the pole star.