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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostYou think! If the Russians are so bad then why has Trump failed to meet a deadline to impose sanctions on individuals who do business with Russian military or intelligence entities? And why has he not directed his intelligence agencies to crack down on Russia given that the senior US intel chiefs unanimously warn that Russian meddling threatens 2018 vote. Doesn't Trump care or does he fear repercussions from Putin?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostApparently it also salted with a few rumors and innuendos that the Hillary campaign fed to the author so they could be included as well.
Winer has responded.
Devin Nunes is investigating me. Here’s the truth.
While talking about that hacking, Blumenthal and I discussed Steele’s reports. He showed me notes gathered by a journalist I did not know, Cody Shearer, that alleged the Russians had compromising information on Trump of a sexual and financial nature.
What struck me was how some of the material echoed Steele’s but appeared to involve different sources.
On my own, I shared a copy of these notes with Steele, to ask for his professional reaction. He told me it was potentially “collateral” information. I asked him what that meant. He said that it was similar but separate from the information he had gathered from his sources. I agreed to let him keep a copy of the Shearer notes.
Given that I had not worked with Shearer and knew that he was not a professional intelligence officer, I did not mention or share his notes with anyone at the State Department. I did not expect them to be shared with anyone in the U.S. government.
But I learned later that Steele did share them — with the FBI, after the FBI asked him to provide everything he had on allegations relating to Trump, his campaign and Russian interference in U.S. elections.
The timeline presented by Winer is in conflict with this conspiracy theory.
By now you should realize that the most convincing lies, the best con jobs, are concocted using as much truth as possible and then twisting it.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post"Fringe sites" like ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, Washington Post, and New York Times?
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There's a lot more to Nunes' investigation than meets the eye. It seems he has some very big fish caught in his net, and they're thrashing wildly in their attempts to escape. Everything I've read suggests that Nunes is certain of his information. There's a reason he's acting with such methodical confidence.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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This NYT article seems material:
So does this one from WaPo:
Upshot: Fake news from Russian bots played a minor part in something that probably didn't have much effect anyway.
MM may or may not appreciate Breitbart being characterized as 'mainstream'.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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So when are we going to bring indictments against members of the liberal media for their undisguised attempts to influence voters against Trump?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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My thinking is that most of this fake news crap might be coming from Russia, but not from hackers, but just Russian scammers, regular citizens that want to make money by creating sensationalist stories that people pass along on facebook and twitter and contain tons of ads that they get paid for. It isn't some nefarious KGB plot. And there are such scammers in many countries, including the USA. Heck, half of facebook is people sharing such garbage about any number of topics, from politics to stories about aliens or the dangers of eating meat, to quizzes about what your favorite food is. It's all about numbers of views and numbers of ads served. Advertisers not only pay so much per click-thru but just for displaying the ads.
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Apparently, Mueller's investigation has now handed down indictments against 13 Russian individuals and three Russian companies for interfering in the 2016 election, beginning as early as 2014. They were apparently funded to the tune of $1m/month to target swing districts, and emphasize support for Sanders/Trump and against Rubio/Cruz/Clinton. More details here.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostApparently, Mueller's investigation has now handed down indictments against 13 Russian individuals and three Russian companies for interfering in the 2016 election, beginning as early as 2014. They were apparently funded to the tune of $1m/month to target swing districts, and emphasize support for Sanders/Trump and against Rubio/Cruz/Clinton. More details here.
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ts-16-russians
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis NYT article seems material:
Originally posted by lao tzu View PostAlternatively, current and historical reporting is available at:
Russian Hacking and Influence in the U.S. ElectionOriginally posted by One Bad Pig View PostUpshot: Fake news from Russian bots played a minor part in something that probably didn't have much effect anyway.
MM may or may not appreciate Breitbart being characterized as 'mainstream'.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
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Russian troll farm, 13 suspects indicted for interference in U.S. election
Independent of the success of their efforts, the indictments against them are useful in pushing back against the suggestion we should not be concerned. Foreign actors actively engaged in undermining our elections need to be held to account.
Notably, the troll farm, run out of St. Petersburg, was financed by ...
One of those indicted is Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin, who has long been identified in the Russian media as the financial backer of the Internet Research Agency. He is a caterer who has been nicknamed “Putin’s chef” because of his close ties to the Russian president. Concord Consulting and Concord Catering, two Russian businesses also charged by Mueller’s team Friday, have previously been identified as Prigozhin vehicles.
I think it's fair to say this effort could not have been undertaken without Putin's agreement, even without further evidence that it was undertaken at his direction.
In the TimesEvent cited in the o/p, there was a reference by a panelist to over a 100 million impressions, which I recall from testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, but was loathe to look up for reference due to time constraints.
Overall, Facebook acknowledged to Congress that the Internet Research Agency had bought 3,000 ads on its platform that reached 11.4 million users. The agency’s employees also reportedly made many free posts that reached 126 million users. In addition to polarizing online political conversation, Facebook reported that the Internet Research Agency used Facebook pages to organize 129 real-world events that drew the attention of nearly 340,000 Facebook users.
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Twitter has acknowledged finding 3,814 accounts linked to the IRA, which together posted some 176,000 tweets in the 10 weeks preceding the election. The company also found 50,258 automated accounts it said were connected to the Russian government and tweeted more than a million times.
While we still don't know how many votes were changed, or perhaps more importantly, how many voters leaning toward Trump were induced to show up at the polls, the reach was sufficient to make a difference in an election that hinged on 70,000 votes. Whether it made a difference is a different question.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMy thinking is that most of this fake news crap might be coming from Russia, but not from hackers, but just Russian scammers, regular citizens that want to make money by creating sensationalist stories that people pass along on facebook and twitter and contain tons of ads that they get paid for. It isn't some nefarious KGB plot. And there are such scammers in many countries, including the USA. Heck, half of facebook is people sharing such garbage about any number of topics, from politics to stories about aliens or the dangers of eating meat, to quizzes about what your favorite food is. It's all about numbers of views and numbers of ads served. Advertisers not only pay so much per click-thru but just for displaying the ads.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostWhile we still don't know how many votes were changed, or perhaps more importantly, how many voters leaning toward Trump were induced to show up at the polls, the reach was sufficient to make a difference in an election that hinged on 70,000 votes. Whether it made a difference is a different question.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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