Russian interference with the 2016 election

[carpedm9587]

It's very simple: Cohen can't be in two places at once. We have proof that he was one place (Los Angles) which means that it is physically and logically impossible for him to be in another place (Prague).

And Tass keeps posting that McClatchy link, but he apparently missed this bombshell admission just 7-paragraphs below the headline: "The disclosure still left a puzzle: The sources did not say whether Cohen took a commercial flight or private jet to Europe, and gave no explanation as to why no record of such a trip has surfaced."

In simpler language, there is no record of Cohen making a trip to Prague.

And "there is no record" is not the same as "Cohen did not take a trip to Prague." Also, 2 months is not equal to 1 week, so there is no requirement for Cohen to be in two places at one time if he was in Prague at a time within those two months OTHER than the stated week.

Finally - so far the claim that he WAS in Prague has not been substantiated (as far as I know), so no one can say he WAS there. Likewise, no one can say he WASN'T. All that can be said, based on the available evidence, is 1) he wasn't there that week, and 2) the claim that he was there during those two months has not been shown to be true.

[Mountain Man]

And now a Mueller rep is out there tamping down this story and saying don't believe everything you see in the mainstream media.

Source: Robert Mueller Office Warns “Many Stories About our Investigation Have Been Inaccurate”…

An interesting release from the spokesperson for Robert Mueller comes against the backdrop of the renewed ‘Michael Cohen travel to Prague’ story being pushed by Fusion-GPS and Glenn Simpson.

According to the Washington Times via Robert Mueller:

“What I have been telling all reporters is that many stories about our investigation have been inaccurate,” the Mueller spokesperson said. “Be very cautious about any source that claims to have knowledge about our investigation and dig deep into what they claim before reporting on it. If another outlet reports something, don’t run with it unless you have your own sourcing to back it up.” (read more)

The issue stems from last weeks McClatchy story where a reporter claimed Mueller had evidence of Michael Cohen traveling to Prague. That trip is an unproven intelligence point cited by Fusion-GPS in the ‘Steele Dosser’.

The more interesting aspect is deeper within the Washington Times article:

"The supposed Cohen Prague trip has been pushed to reporters and government investigators by Glenn Simpson, co-founder of Fusion GPS, which paid Mr. Steele. Fusion has long-standing relationships with Washington’s powerful news outlets such as CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times."

Accepting that Glenn Simpson and Fusion-GPS are the primary sources continuing to push the Cohen/Prague story we find increased likelihood of their motive; they need the Cohen story to be real, because a mistake on this issue is a risk.

The risk is due to the mistake in the dossier happening as an outcome of Fusion-GPS having extracted this raw intelligence point as a result of their unlawful access to NSA and FBI databases.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...e/#more-148161

© Copyright Original Source

[Tassman]

That's because the Steele dossier is as phony as a $3 bill.

Oh really! You know this for sure how exactly?

[Charles]

"Anonymous sources" ... yeah, OK.

Are you able to name the fallacy yourself, MM?

[Juvenal]

Smearing Robert Mueller

When Mr. Hannity and others say Mr. Mueller was responsible for the continued imprisonment of those four men, they are simply wrong — unless they have information that I, Ms. Balliro, the House investigators and the “Black Mass” authors did not and do not have. If they do, they should produce it. If they don’t, they should stop this campaign to discredit Mr. Mueller.

When baseless, false accusations are necessary for a defense, the defense is in trouble.

[Juvenal]

Are you able to name the fallacy yourself, MM?

Asking about another poster's abilities is a personal attack.

Not in this thread, please.

If you feel MM has committed a fallacy, name it, and though not strictly necessary, it would be good if you also supported the description.

[Juvenal]

Have you considered posting actual evidence in your posts, rather than merely allegations with links?

This particular accusation, like others you've made recently, is both baseless and contrafactual. I won't again spend time linking posts that contradict it, but as many are in this thread, you are encouraged to find them yourself.

As to the accusation itself, you've already got a thread for this. Take it there.

It's contradicted by this:

Those of us not breathlessly following every sordid detail are blissfully unaware of what the alleged 'largest known hole in the Steele dossier" is, let alone how this ostensibly fills it.

The Steele dossier begins with a memo, dated two months before Manafort's resignation, in which Manafort was named as the principle coordinator of information exchanges with Peskov, chief Kremlin spokesman and manager and proprietor of the FSB's so-called Clinton dossier, which was later revealed to include hacked DNC emails.

After Manafort's departure under the cloud of allegations of financial improprieties related to his work for the Russian puppets in Ukraine, Cohen is named as the replacement coordinator, and in particular, as a participant in a clandestine Prague meeting further set up with a cover story. Included in the itinerary for that meeting were efforts to provide financial and logistical support for a group of Romanian hackers.

Where it would be difficult to distance the Trump campaign from Manafort's coordination, it would be impossible to do so with Cohen. Conversely, the defense that Cohen was not in Prague during the summer of 2016 casts serious doubts on a linchpin of the Steele dossier.

That's a significant hole, and the most significant in my analysis, as shared above.

Independent evidence of a Prague visit, this time with details on how he arrived in Prague, would fill that hole.

As above, Cohen continues to strenuously deny the visit.

As MM has shared, albeit via the Moonie Times, none of this has been officially corroborated by the Mueller team, and in fact a spokesperson seems to have weighed in urging caution on all of these anonymous reports, especially those that cannot be independently corroborated by another paper's journalists.

The Steele dossier consists of 17 two-page memos, by my count. It takes less than half an hour to read, though perhaps longer if one tries to do so while holding one's breath, which is neither necessary nor recommended.

[One Bad Pig]

The Steele dossier begins with a memo, dated two months before Manafort's resignation, in which Manafort was named as the principle coordinator of information exchanges with Peskov, chief Kremlin spokesman and manager and proprietor of the FSB's so-called Clinton dossier, which was later revealed to include hacked DNC emails.

After Manafort's departure under the cloud of allegations of financial improprieties related to his work for the Russian puppets in Ukraine, Cohen is named as the replacement coordinator, and in particular, as a participant in a clandestine Prague meeting further set up with a cover story. Included in the itinerary for that meeting were efforts to provide financial and logistical support for a group of Romanian hackers.

Where it would be difficult to distance the Trump campaign from Manafort's coordination, it would be impossible to do so with Cohen. Conversely, the defense that Cohen was not in Prague during the summer of 2016 casts serious doubts on a linchpin of the Steele dossier.

That's a significant hole, and the most significant in my analysis, as shared above.

Independent evidence of a Prague visit, this time with details on how he arrived in Prague, would fill that hole.

As above, Cohen continues to strenuously deny the visit.

As MM has shared, albeit via the Moonie Times, none of this has been officially corroborated by the Mueller team, and in fact a spokesperson seems to have weighed in urging caution on all of these anonymous reports, especially those that cannot be independently corroborated by another paper's journalists.

The Steele dossier consists of 17 two-page memos, by my count. It takes less than half an hour to read, though perhaps longer if one tries to do so while holding one's breath, which is neither necessary nor recommended.

Thank you.

[Charles]

Asking about another poster's abilities is a personal attack.

Not in this thread, please.

If you feel MM has committed a fallacy, name it, and though not strictly necessary, it would be good if you also supported the description.

It is not a personal attack, I am sure MM knows the answer. It is my way of saying he knows better than this. It seems you loose a part of your own civility in your aim to ensure it.

If this is a personal attack, then what goes for you calling MM's source Moonie Times? And your claim that others in this thread make baseless and contrafactual statements? Should I say not in this thread, please?

[Juvenal]

It is not a personal attack, I am sure MM knows the answer.

I'll let you find your own way to the door.

[Juvenal]

Thank you.

There's a real quandary for a non-partisan in this. If the president's team was cooperating with a hostile foreign power in 2016, I want him nailed to the wall for it. But if we go after the president on this, the focus comes off the continuing interference by the hostile foreign power.

Given that dilemma, I'd rather he was found innocent.

[Mountain Man]

Risensteim says that Trump is not a target of any part of Mueller's investigation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ntent=politics

[Tassman]

Risensteim says that Trump is not a target of any part of Mueller's investigation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ntent=politics

The link goes on to say: "Rosenstein’s message may have been based on a technicality. Trump may not officially be a target, but Mueller hasn’t ruled out making him one at some point in the future, according to a U.S. official with knowledge of the unfolding investigation."

[Charles]

I'll let you find your own way to the door.

Yep. And from the putside I note the obvious hypocracy and that you did not answer my points about stuff you said yourself that could be seen as insulting. But of course you can ask people to leave, if you have not got an answer.

[Mountain Man]

The link goes on to say: "Rosenstein’s message may have been based on a technicality. Trump may not officially be a target, but Mueller hasn’t ruled out making him one at some point in the future, according to a U.S. official with knowledge of the unfolding investigation."

The fact that Trump isn't a target already is significant.