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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    As the case against Manafort wends its way to trial:
    Source: Byron York

    "Evidence or argument relating to Mr. Manafort's work for then-candidate Trump's campaign in 2016 or the Special Counsel's investigation of the campaign's alleged collusion with the Russian government," the Manafort team wrote in a June 22 motion, "is wholly irrelevant to whether Mr. Manafort's personal income tax returns were false, whether he willfully failed to file reports of foreign accounts, and whether he conspired to commit, or committed, bank fraud."


    Mueller's response was two-fold. On the issue of collusion, the special counsel, in a motion filed July 6, flatly said, "The government does not intend to present at trial evidence or argument concerning collusion with the Russian government and, accordingly does not oppose the defendant's motion in that respect."


    To those Trump opponents who had hoped Mueller would unveil evidence of Trump-Russia collusion involving Manafort, it was a sharp and stunning admission: There's no collusion in the case against Manafort.


    But Mueller did argue that the case has something to do with Trump. And this is it:


    Most of the 32 counts against Manafort in the Virginia case concern alleged crimes that took place long before there was a Trump campaign. Some go back as far as 2006. But four of the counts involve a pair of loans Manafort took out between April 2016 and January 2017. For a few months during that time period, Manafort worked for the Trump campaign.


    The loans totaled $16 million and came from a financial institution Mueller refers to as Lender D. According to Mueller, Manafort lied to get the loans, overstating his income and understating his debts.


    Mueller says that some workers at Lender D knew there was a problem with Manafort's application, but that one top executive there, a man who wanted a place in the Trump campaign, granted the loan anyway. From the Mueller filing:


    "The government intends to present evidence that although various Lender D employees identified serious issues with the defendant's loan application, the senior executive at Lender D interceded in the process and approved the loan. During the loan application process, the senior executive expressed interest in working on the Trump campaign, told the defendant about his interest, and eventually secured a position advising the Trump campaign. The senior executive later expressed an interest in serving in the administration of President Trump, but did not secure such a position."

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    It doesn't look good for Mr. Manafort, but it's a rather tenuous link between any of this and anything which might be pinned on Trump.
    The problem for Trump is that there are just so many "tenuous links" between him, his associates and Russia. And Manafort was after all his campaign manager
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    The problem for Trump is that there are just so many "tenuous links" between him, his associates and Russia. And Manafort was after all his campaign manager
    And yet no hard evidence. I've been saying from the beginning that Hillary and all the other democrat cronies who want to maintain status quo have been using this story to try to convince the public that they lost because of external forces.

    They lost because of who they are. They lost because of Hillary.

    Hillary is a loser, and if she runs again in 2020 then even though I hate Trump I hope he wins again so it can be rubbed in their face.

    Hopefully then they'll get the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    And yet no hard evidence. I've been saying from the beginning that Hillary and all the other democrat cronies who want to maintain status quo have been using this story to try to convince the public that they lost because of external forces.

    They lost because of who they are. They lost because of Hillary.

    Hillary is a loser, and if she runs again in 2020 then even though I hate Trump I hope he wins again so it can be rubbed in their face.

    Hopefully then they'll get the point.
    That would be very foolish. Trump is about to rip apart one of the free world's primary deterrents to Putin and Russia expansion : NATO. Trump is effectively a Russian agent and must be removed from office as soon as is possible, and any candidate would be a better choice than him. The fact the GOP will sacrifice this country for the potential to. E in powere strips us all from the capacity to have something better than a hillary as an option. But we must get trump out. And we need to replace any and all GOP members that have shown they will put their own success above the good of the country by bowing to trump and allowing him to give the free world over to Putin.

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones … are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    The problem for Trump is that there are just so many "tenuous links" between him, his associates and Russia. And Manafort was after all his campaign manager
    You make a superb conspiracy theorist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    That would be very foolish. Trump is about to rip apart one of the free world's primary deterrents to Putin and Russia expansion : NATO. Trump is effectively a Russian agent and must be removed from office as soon as is possible, and any candidate would be a better choice than him. The fact the GOP will sacrifice this country for the potential to. E in powere strips us all from the capacity to have something better than a hillary as an option. But we must get trump out. And we need to replace any and all GOP members that have shown they will put their own success above the good of the country by bowing to trump and allowing him to give the free world over to Putin.

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    You're looking a little wild-eyed here, Jim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    That would be very foolish. Trump is about to rip apart one of the free world's primary deterrents to Putin and Russia expansion : NATO. Trump is effectively a Russian agent and must be removed from office as soon as is possible, and any candidate would be a better choice than him. The fact the GOP will sacrifice this country for the potential to. E in powere strips us all from the capacity to have something better than a hillary as an option. But we must get trump out. And we need to replace any and all GOP members that have shown they will put their own success above the good of the country by bowing to trump and allowing him to give the free world over to Putin.

    Jim
    NATO has been a toothless and declawed tiger for quite some time now. If nobody in Europe can even manage to devote 2% of their GDP to defending themselves then there is no defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    The problem for Trump is that there are just so many "tenuous links" between him, his associates and Russia. And Manafort was after all his campaign manager
    Why do you torture yourself like this? Trump is POTUS, and nothing you whine about will change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    You're looking a little wild-eyed here, Jim.
    Only to those whose eyes are wide shut ...

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones … are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    NATO has been a toothless and declawed tiger for quite some time now. If nobody in Europe can even manage to devote 2% of their GDP to defending themselves then there is no defense.
    If it is such a toothless lion, then why has Putin invested so much time and resources into destabilizing it?

    I would agree Europe has been on a bit of a free ride with NATO - but we still get a good bit out of it - not the least of which is the opportunity to stage defensive weapons less than an ocean away from Russian and China. They should contribute more ... but kicking sand in their face and bald faced idiot cracks like "Germany is totally in the control of Russia" is the way to get that?

    I guess we'll find out.

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones … are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Next up, Trump having drank vodka is seen as irrefutable proof he's a Russian agent!

    Wait. What's that? It was Finnish vodka?

    Next up, Trump drinks Finnish vodka in a blatant attempt to conceal the fact he's a Russian agent!







    Silly? Almost as much as CNN fact checking whether or not he used Russian dressing on a salad.

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