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    It's pretty obvious that what he didn't want to say is that, yes, Steele was working for the Russians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    ... Steele's outing of himself got him fired.
    This is likely, but not certain.

    As a clarification, this thread is only tangentially directed toward the Steele dossier and any possible collusion between Russian intelligence and the Trump campaign.

    It should be noted that the Senate Intelligence Committee hearing, abstracted above into a Steele dossier soundbite, and, apparently, combined into yet another right wing conspiracy theory, was the annual worldwide threats hearing, a 2 hour 45 minute session featuring the directors of the DNI, CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, and NGA, and touching a wide range of topics.

    The largest take-away from the hearing was that Russian interference is expected in the 2018 elections as well.

    Russian Threat To Elections To Persist Through 2018, Spy Bosses Warn Congress

    The Senate committee also discussed the nuclear missile threat from North Korea and the "instability," as Coats described it, of that country's leader, Kim Jong Un.

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    Intellectual property theft by China, terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaida, and drugs crossing the Southern border from Mexico also came up, but the hearing kept coming back to the broad peril involved with cyberattacks.

    More directly addressing the Steele dossier, Scott Shane had some interesting remarks on the hearing at the TimesEvent of the o/p, beginning at 37:32. I've transcribed the relevant portion.

    When Comey was FBI director, he described this dossier as salacious and unverified, and one of the senators asked Chris Wray, the new FBI director... cited that, said Comey said it was salacious and unverified, would you say that's still what it is, and Wray was silent for a minute and said, I'll tell you more about that in the afternoon session, which is closed. So it was a really interesting moment, because it would have been easy for him to say, you bet, it's still salacious, still unverified, ... we're no further down the road but apparently he wanted to tell them something that he didn't want to tell the rest of us.

    I haven't had a chance to watch the full hearing, and can't find full transcripts, but I'll be looking for this exchange when I do, and post the timestamp to compare this characterization and the actual testimony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but is there a way to actually read the Steele Dossier?
    It should be noted that the so-called Steele dossier is not a dossier. It's a collection of 17 company intelligence reports based on interviews between June and December 2016 with Russian contacts Steele developed while working the Russia desk for MI-6.

    It's raw intelligence, subject to the usual caveats. Portions have subsequently been relatively well verified, including details about the Russian actors cited as directing the interference campaign. Others have been relatively well disputed, including the Cohen meeting in Prague. The salacious elements concerning prostitutes remain in unverified limbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    It's pretty obvious that what he didn't want to say is that, yes, Steele was working for the Russians.
    You think! If the Russians are so bad then why has Trump failed to meet a deadline to impose sanctions on individuals who do business with Russian military or intelligence entities? And why has he not directed his intelligence agencies to crack down on Russia given that the senior US intel chiefs unanimously warn that Russian meddling threatens 2018 vote. Doesn't Trump care or does he fear repercussions from Putin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lao tzu View Post
    It should be noted that the so-called Steele dossier is not a dossier. It's a collection of 17 company intelligence reports based on interviews between June and December 2016 with Russian contacts Steele developed while working the Russia desk for MI-6.

    It's raw intelligence, subject to the usual caveats. Portions have subsequently been relatively well verified, including details about the Russian actors cited as directing the interference campaign. Others have been relatively well disputed, including the Cohen meeting in Prague. The salacious elements concerning prostitutes remain in unverified limbo.
    Apparently it also salted with a few rumors and innuendos that the Hillary campaign fed to the author so they could be included as well.

    By now you should realize that the most convincing lies, the best con jobs, are concocted using as much truth as possible and then twisting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lao tzu View Post
    I'm not following this. Is there something that has recently displeased the left that has some connection to the Times event in the o/p? I've found that right wing, well, "known propaganda websites," like to search out left wing fringe sites for outlandish nuggets, but life's too short for me to spend quality time with either of them.
    "Fringe sites" like ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, Washington Post, and New York Times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassmoron View Post
    You think! If the Russians are so bad then why has Trump failed to meet a deadline to impose sanctions on individuals who do business with Russian military or intelligence entities? And why has he not directed his intelligence agencies to crack down on Russia given that the senior US intel chiefs unanimously warn that Russian meddling threatens 2018 vote. Doesn't Trump care or does he fear repercussions from Putin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Apparently it also salted with a few rumors and innuendos that the Hillary campaign fed to the author so they could be included as well.
    If you're speaking of the information from Blumenthal, it wasn't in the dossier, and the rumors and innuendos begin with Nunes, whose tight-knit relationship with the White House he's in charge of investigating is frankly scandalous.

    Winer has responded.

    Devin Nunes is investigating me. Here’s the truth.

    While talking about that hacking, Blumenthal and I discussed Steele’s reports. He showed me notes gathered by a journalist I did not know, Cody Shearer, that alleged the Russians had compromising information on Trump of a sexual and financial nature.

    What struck me was how some of the material echoed Steele’s but appeared to involve different sources.

    On my own, I shared a copy of these notes with Steele, to ask for his professional reaction. He told me it was potentially “collateral” information. I asked him what that meant. He said that it was similar but separate from the information he had gathered from his sources. I agreed to let him keep a copy of the Shearer notes.

    Given that I had not worked with Shearer and knew that he was not a professional intelligence officer, I did not mention or share his notes with anyone at the State Department. I did not expect them to be shared with anyone in the U.S. government.

    But I learned later that Steele did share them — with the FBI, after the FBI asked him to provide everything he had on allegations relating to Trump, his campaign and Russian interference in U.S. elections.

    The timeline presented by Winer is in conflict with this conspiracy theory.

    By now you should realize that the most convincing lies, the best con jobs, are concocted using as much truth as possible and then twisting it.
    That's precisely Chris Wray's allegation against the Nunes memo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    "Fringe sites" like ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, Washington Post, and New York Times?
    Is there something that has recently displeased the left that has some connection to the Times event in the o/p? In particular, is there something published recently, or even broadcasted, that suggests this?

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    There's a lot more to Nunes' investigation than meets the eye. It seems he has some very big fish caught in his net, and they're thrashing wildly in their attempts to escape. Everything I've read suggests that Nunes is certain of his information. There's a reason he's acting with such methodical confidence.
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