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  • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
    That's a good thing. I listen to Rachel a lot on youtube. A top journalist.
    You and JimL.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      You and JimL.
      There you go! If that’s not a recommendation, I don’t know what is.
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      • Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • I don't think this thread should close. LT wants the thread to close because he doesn't want to be called out on his double standards so he wants to end the conversation. Not exactly what the request to close thread is meant for.
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          • Remember the 13 Russians that Mueller indicted, and how I said they would never appear in court? Turns out I was wrong. Some of them hired lawyers to defend themselves against the accusations

            But here's the twist (you knew there was going to be a twist, didn't you?): Mueller doesn't want to show the evidence. The problem is, the accused has a right to see the case against him, but Mueller is claiming that it would expose national security secrets, and so he has asked the judge to keep the evidence hidden.

            I don't see how the judge has any choice here but to demand that Mueller either give up the evidence as required by the law, or drop all charges.

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            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • Way to go with the maximum spin MM!

              Mueller's submission is interesting because it says:
              1. There are still Russian operatives actively continuing to try to manipulate election outcomes in the US to this day.
              2. Mueller plans to indict further people for election manipulation.

              As to MM's gratuitous spin, it's not that Mueller doesn't want to show the evidence to the court to prove the defendant guilty, it's that Mueller doesn't want to give all the evidence to the defendents' lawyers months in advance of the case getting to court. Mueller's simply asking to hold off on making the evidence public until the case actually gets to court because there's information in the evidence that Mueller's going to use to indict further people in the meantime.
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              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                Way to go with the maximum spin MM!

                Mueller's submission is interesting because it says:
                1. There are still Russian operatives actively continuing to try to manipulate election outcomes in the US to this day.
                2. Mueller plans to indict further people for election manipulation.

                As to MM's gratuitous spin, it's not that Mueller doesn't want to show the evidence to the court to prove the defendant guilty, it's that Mueller doesn't want to give all the evidence to the defendents' lawyers months in advance of the case getting to court. Mueller's simply asking to hold off on making the evidence public until the case actually gets to court because there's information in the evidence that Mueller's going to use to indict further people in the meantime.
                So why issue indictments then knowing full well that you'll have to show the accused the evidence? Do you think Mueller is that inept to do something even some third tier county prosecutor knows better than to do, or was he grandstanding and showboating trying to pretend he had something when he didn't?

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                • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  was he grandstanding and showboating trying to pretend he had something when he didn't?
                  Dude these conspiracy theories make you look insane. He's not running for election. He's a prosecutor. He's not filing charges to make himself look good, he's filing charges against people he's got evidence against. He's not saying he doesn't have evidence, he's saying he wants to hold off for a couples of months on releasing the evidence publicly. The schedule of events in criminal proceedings gets altered regularly by the judge and by the parties involved, it's not like this is highly unusual.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • So you're going with completely inept then, dude.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      So you're going with completely inept then
                      Yes, my view is that you are.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Remember the 13 Russians that Mueller indicted, and how I said they would never appear in court? Turns out I was wrong. Some of them hired lawyers to defend themselves against the accusations

                        But here's the twist (you knew there was going to be a twist, didn't you?): Mueller doesn't want to show the evidence. The problem is, the accused has a right to see the case against him, but Mueller is claiming that it would expose national security secrets, and so he has asked the judge to keep the evidence hidden.

                        I don't see how the judge has any choice here but to demand that Mueller either give up the evidence as required by the law, or drop all charges.
                        Why are you second-guessing Mueller’s decisions on this? As little as 12 months ago Congress, normally utterly fractured by partisan bickering effusively praised the selection of former FBI director Robert Mueller as special counsel in charge of the FBI's investigation into Russian attempts to influence the 2016 election. Is there any reason to think differently nowadays? I don’t think so. Just let the man get on with his job without invoking paranoid conspiracy theories and await the outcome of the investigation. Nobody, apart from the investigative team, has full knowledge of the direction this is taking.
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                        • I like how Mueller, a conservative Republican appointed FBI director by Bush, and now appointed special counsel by one of Trump's own Republican appointees, has somehow turned into a "Democrat" in the minds of Trump and Trumpite posters, and is supposedly leading an anti-Republican witch hunt.
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                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            So why issue indictments then knowing full well that you'll have to show the accused the evidence? Do you think Mueller is that inept to do something even some third tier county prosecutor knows better than to do, or was he grandstanding and showboating trying to pretend he had something when he didn't?
                            Bingo. It seems that Dirty Cop Mueller never expected anyone to call his bluff, and now that they have, he doesn't want to show his cards.

                            Like I said, I don't see how the judge has any choice than to demand that Mueller turn over the evidence as required by law, or dismiss the charges.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              I like how Mueller, a conservative Republican appointed FBI director by Bush, and now appointed special counsel by one of Trump's own Republican appointees, has somehow turned into a "Democrat" in the minds of Trump and Trumpite posters, and is supposedly leading an anti-Republican witch hunt.
                              I like how disconnected from reality your POV is. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that Mueller is a conservative Republican, why would you equate that with "pro-Trump"? There is a Republican contingent steadfastly anti-Trump, and I've never seen anyone characterize Mueller as anti-Republican - only anti-Trump.
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                              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                I like how Mueller, a conservative Republican appointed FBI director by Bush, and now appointed special counsel by one of Trump's own Republican appointees, has somehow turned into a "Democrat" in the minds of Trump and Trumpite posters, and is supposedly leading an anti-Republican witch hunt.
                                Wow, sounds like you went to bed after eating too much pizza and had a bad dream!
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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