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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    As long as you're willing to do a "post-incident-debrief" then what of the fact that Cruz was part of a school system that had idiotic progressive policies which essentially tied the hands of the local police and shielded Cruz from facing the legal consequences of previous crimes -- including at least one assault committed a year ago. The school's mantra was "Keep kids out of the courtroom and in the classroom," which ignores the very real fact that some kids deserve to be in a courtroom.
    More details emerge:

    Source: Parkland school cop ‘never went in’ during the shooting. There were other failures, too.

    ...long before Cruz embarked on the worst school shooting in Florida history, Broward Sheriff’s Office deputies had multiple warnings that the 19-year-old was a violent threat and a potential school shooter, according to records released Thursday.

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    ▪ Feb. 5, 2016: A Broward Sheriff’s Office deputy is told by an anonymous caller that Nikolas Cruz, then 17, had threatened on Instagram to shoot up his school and posted a photo of himself with guns. The information is forwarded to BSO Deputy Scot Peterson, a school resource officer at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

    ▪ Sept. 23, 2016: A “peer counselor” reports to Peterson that Cruz had possibly ingested gasoline in a suicide attempt, was cutting himself and wanted to buy a gun. A mental health counselor advises against involuntarily committing Cruz. The high school says it will conduct a threat assessment.

    ▪ Sept. 28, 2016: An investigator for the Florida Department of Children and Families rules Cruz is stable, despite “fresh cuts” on his arms. His mother, Lynda Cruz, says in the past he wrote a racial slur against African Americans on his book bag and had recently talked of buying firearms.

    ▪ Sept. 24, 2017: A YouTube user named “nikolas cruz” posts a comment stating he wants to become a “professional school shooter.” The comment is reported to the FBI in Mississippi, which fails to make the connection to Cruz in South Florida.

    ▪ Nov. 1, 2017: Katherine Blaine, Lynda Cruz’s cousin, calls BSO to report that Nikolas Cruz had weapons and asks that police recover them. A “close family friend” agrees to take the firearms, according to BSO.

    ▪ Nov. 29, 2017: The Palm Beach County family that took in Cruz after the death of his mother calls the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office to report a fight between him and their son, 22. A member of the family says that Cruz had threatened to “get his gun and come back” and that he has “put the gun to others’ heads in the past.” The family does not want him arrested once he calms down.

    ▪ Nov. 30, 2017: A caller from Massachusetts calls BSO to report that Cruz is collecting guns and knives and could be a “school shooter in the making.” A BSO deputy advises the caller to contact the Palm Beach sheriff.

    ▪ Jan. 5, 2018: A caller to the FBI’s tip line reports that Cruz has “a desire to kill people” and could potentially conduct a school shooting. The information is never passed on to the FBI’s office in Miami.

    ▪ Feb. 14, 2018: Nikolas Cruz attacks Stoneman Douglas High. Peterson, the school’s resource officer, draws his gun outside the building where Cruz is shooting students and staff. He does not enter.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...201636649.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    As the saying goes, "Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

    We may as well add to that: "And they won't necessarily do their job when they arrive."
    So, the coach who knew and loved these kids gave his life for them.
    The "hired gun" fully commissioned police officer hid.

    If the coach had had the officer's weapon, things could have turned out way differently.

    CORAL SPRINGS, Fla. - Loved ones gathered Thursday for the funeral of Aaron Feis, an assistant football coach at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School who was killed in the mass shooting last week.

    Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, who has known Feis for many years and whose children graduated from Stoneman Douglas, was among those who spoke at the funeral.

    "This world lost an incredible, incredible man," Israel said.

    The sheriff said several head football coaches have come and gone since Feis, 37, was hired at Stoneman Douglas, but each coach kept Feis on their staff.

    "Everybody wanted him. Everyone needed him," Israel said. "He was the connection to the kids. Kids would do more for Feis than for others. Why? Because they didn't want to let Feis down."

    Israel said Feis previously spoke to him about joining a law enforcement agency, and pondered whether to consider the Broward Sheriff's Office or the Coral Springs Police Department.

    The sheriff said he told the coach, "'Feis, you're not leaving Douglas High School.'"


    THIS is the kind of person I have in mind IF it should be allowed to arm specific individuals in the school system.

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Wow.... because an armed guard DIDN'T DO HIS JOB is proof that he couldn't have. What a moronic statement.
    What it does is illustrate the dangers of leaving the safety of innocent civilians in the hands of a single armed person. If there had been multiple staff members on site armed and trained to respond to emergency situations then I know for a fact that this incident would have unfolded differently. The officer is only human, and these things happen, but one person freezing is a lot less disastrous if he has a dozen other people backing him up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Missile View Post
    Out of all the officers in the country, some are by necessity incompetent, at least to some degree or in some arena. That's just how large sample sizes of professionals are. It needs to be made sure that when a weak link inevitably breaks, it doesn't result in tragedy.
    So basically you want to blame the guns even when it is blatently obvious that the entire tragedy could have been prevented at many points along the timeline, from the school failing to report him to authorities, to the mental health professionals who were treating him, to the FBI who was warned about him, to the deputy who just stood there outside while he mowed down students?

    You are such a tool. Liberal puppet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Missile View Post
    How have gun ownership restrictions failed? Plenty of other countries have them and also have less shootings. That sounds like a success to me.
    Correlation does not equal causation...

    We know this because the leaders on the board for most gun homicides are countries with very restrictive gun laws...
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