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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
A pundit I saw the other night kept insisting on them as "weapons of war"
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThis school shooting is turning out not to be such a good "poster boy" shooting for liberals. While they do their best to make this all about gun control, there are so many other factors there that are screaming to be addressed.
The "child" should have been arrested on numerous occasions, and would have had a criminal record, preventing him (supposedly) from purchasing a firearm.
It was the "keep them in the schoolroom, not in the courtroom" liberal philosophy that kept him from having a criminal record.
Rather than have "armed teachers", the liberals insist on "armed officers" - this school had at least one, and he hid.
It's still problematic for the "arm the teachers" side: there's no guarantee that armed teachers would have been more effective than this guard. We hedge our bets having more people carrying guns, but now you have to pray that the system--itself prone to more human error--that designates who carries what guns doesn't go awry, that the people selected are reliable and won't make mistakes like the police or lose heart like the guard.
The teacher/coach who TRIED to intervene was unarmed, and died trying to save the kids.
fwiw,
guacamole"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostOk, so...serious question.
A spree shooter walks into a school and starts shooting. How do you stop him without armed resistance?"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThere are no doubt there are a lot of factors to be addressed, and no one event is going to prove or disprove the case for or against gun control.
It seems like there are some police procedures that should be up for review: For example, why was it up to the parents of the kid he threatened to kill about whether or not he should be arrested? I wonder if those officers actions will be up for review and whether or not they face liability.
I'm not sure that's a liberal philosophy. Sometimes you conservatives find something you don't like and slap "liberal" on it as a descriptor. I imagine there are plenty of conservative mental health and education professionals who believe that the best thing to do with kids is keep them in class.
The thing that jumps out to me is how much human error was involved here and how it all converged at this one point in time. Liberals think you make up for human error problem with no guns. Conservatives think you can make up for human error with more guns.
It's still problematic for the "arm the teachers" side: there's no guarantee that armed teachers would have been more effective than this guard.
We hedge our bets having more people carrying guns, but now you have to pray that the system--itself prone to more human error--that designates who carries what guns doesn't go awry, that the people selected are reliable and won't make mistakes like the police or lose heart like the guard.
That filthy liberal teacher was a real hero.
fwiw,
guacamoleThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostTo paraphrase Mr. T... I pity the fool army stuck going to war armed with AR-15s.
A pundit I saw the other night kept insisting on them as "weapons of war"
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Originally posted by Zymologist View Postshh it stands for Assault Rifle, everybody knows thatArmaliteassault rifle....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHow do you know what that teacher's political leanings are? That's a bit drama-queenish of you. After all, he was interested in becoming a police officer.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI saw a graphic the other day that claimed that 92% of mass shooting have taken place in gun free zones.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI wonder if he was thinking of the M14, rather than the M16. All the M16 is, is a modified AR-15.
The difference between an M16 and an AR-15, of course, is that...
The M16 has "selective fire" - it can be set to fire 'single shot' (semi-automatic) or fully automatic or "3 round bursts".
The AR-15 can only fire single shot (semi-automatic) as fast as you can pull the trigger.
(not assuming Adrift doesn't know this, but others seem to be really ignorant of this)
The "selective fire", or fully automatic mode, is what makes it an "assault rifle".
(yeah, I know - some of us disagree on the term "assault rifle" as opposed to "assault weapon")The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThat's a problem with the armed security solution. Their competence or resolve can't be tested until it's too late.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostReviewing his Facebook, it appears he was a pretty heavy gun guy, and decidedly conservative.
So, if this particular coach/teacher were armed -- I'd bet he's quite familiar with firearms safety.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAs the saying goes, "Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
We may as well add to that: "And they won't necessarily do their job when they arrive."
The actual job of the police is not to prevent every crime. There job is to mop up afterwards.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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