Florida School Shooting

[firstfloor]

A better armed public is a viable solution.

You have no idea how completely bonkers you are.
OR
When you are in a hole, stop digging.

[KingsGambit]

I have made no such claim.

I know you haven't but I really hate platitudes like "it's not a gun problem, it's a sin problem". That's true from a theological point of view but it sounds like an excuse not to look any further at the issue.

I wish I knew the solution. I don't think any of us do.

[firstfloor]

I wish I knew the solution. I don't think any of us do.

If you notice that this is almost exclusively an American problem then you can look for solutions by comparing American culture with foreign cultures. For example, do you have a social system that gives assistance to wayward kids at an early stage? Why would you leave it so late that the FBI is supposed to prevent a tragedy?

[carpedm9587]

I know you haven't but I really hate platitudes like "it's not a gun problem, it's a sin problem". That's true from a theological point of view but it sounds like an excuse not to look any further at the issue.

I wish I knew the solution. I don't think any of us do.

Part of why we do not know of any solution is because research into gun violence has been defunded. Perhaps the first step is to fund this research, so we can arrive at suggested solutions that are based on evidence.

[KingsGambit]

Part of why we do not know of any solution is because research into gun violence has been defunded. Perhaps the first step is to fund this research, so we can arrive at suggested solutions that are based on evidence.

I'm probably close to being on your side on the issue but do you really think throwing more money at research will do anything? We've already had plenty of public health research on gun violence which has gone ignored by legislators.

[Cow Poke]

Part of why we do not know of any solution is because research into gun violence has been defunded. Perhaps the first step is to fund this research, so we can arrive at suggested solutions that are based on evidence.

What exactly is "defunded"? You have studies done by the NRA and "gun rights" people, and they pay for those. They are "funded". What's keeping the anti-gun (or, probably from your perspective, the "sane people") from funding studies. If it's important enough, they'll cough up the money.

There are plenty of very rich anti-gun liberals who could fund all kinds of research.

I think the problem, though, is "who funded the study" becomes a reason to dismiss it. Just as any study I cited that was funded by a gun rights organization would be discounted.

[Cow Poke]

I'm probably close to being on your side on the issue but do you really think throwing more money at research will do anything? We've already had plenty of public health research on gun violence which has gone ignored by legislators.

or that

[Cow Poke]

If you notice that this is almost exclusively an American problem then you can look for solutions by comparing American culture with foreign cultures. For example, do you have a social system that gives assistance to wayward kids at an early stage?

That's actually a very good question, and is a bigger more manageable part of the puzzle than "too many guns".

The NYPost reports that ... everybody who knew this kid knew he was a problem. All the signs were there. In my own community, dealing with an EDP, I was flat out told by the police AND the MHMR that there was nothing they could do because he wasn't claiming to be suicidal or homicidal. It took a lot of pushing on my part, but the "solution" was for me to go before a judge as an advocate, and basically "swear out a warrant" for his arrest (with his knowledge and cooperation).

That's idiotic that I would have to do that for somebody who knew he was in deep trouble and wanted help.

Why would you leave it so late that the FBI is supposed to prevent a tragedy?

I wouldn't. Didn't.

[seer]

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[carpedm9587]

What exactly is "defunded"? You have studies done by the NRA and "gun rights" people, and they pay for those. They are "funded". What's keeping the anti-gun (or, probably from your perspective, the "sane people") from funding studies. If it's important enough, they'll cough up the money.

There are plenty of very rich anti-gun liberals who could fund all kinds of research.

I think the problem, though, is "who funded the study" becomes a reason to dismiss it. Just as any study I cited that was funded by a gun rights organization would be discounted.

I would never trust a study funded by an organization with an agenda. I suggest funding be restored to the CDC, which is charged with research related to American health threats of all kinds.

[Mountain Man]

I would never trust a study funded by an organization with an agenda. I suggest funding be restored to the CDC, which is charged with research related to American health threats of all kinds.

I think it's hilarious that you don't think the CDC has an agenda.

[CMD]

Until we, as a country, are willing to get serious and talk about mental health issues, lack of available care for the mental health issues...

As someone with mental health issues, I agree with this completely, but I'm also getting tired of hearing it from the right... particularly the "we need to gut entitlement programs! The government needs to get out of healthcare! Most people on government assistance are lazy and just don't want to get a job!" part of the right, who from what I've seen are the ones who tend to yell the loudest about the "need to expand mental-health care in our country" whenever there's a mass shooting and gun-control becomes a national topic of discussion. It sounds like nothing more "we need something to divert attention away from discussions about gun-control until things die down" coming from this crowd.

I'm especially annoyed by the right-wing politicians who say this. Ok, so... do something about it then. It's not like "expanding mental health care" is an area where you're going to encounter a lot of resistance from the left. It should be easy enough to get something going, but all we ever get are more cuts and reductions to relevant programs and nothing new being offered to take their place.

[Tassman]

I think it's hilarious that you don't think the CDC has an agenda.

The CDC's agenda is to protect public health and safety. What's the NRA's agenda?

[Starlight]

I think it's hilarious that you don't think the CDC has an agenda.

~sigh~ Yet another conservative attempt to discredit all possible sources of information outside of the Conservative Propaganda Bubble.

[JonathanL]

This isn't a thing. If it was I would be a remorseless psychopath by now, simply because of the amount of hours I've put in to playing "violent video games" in my life.