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Parkland shooter always in trouble, never expelled. Could school system have done more?
February 20, 2018 07:59 PM
Updated 4 hours 47 minutes ago
At times, Nikolas Cruz’s behavior could be a school administrator’s nightmare: Teachers and other students said he kicked doors, cursed at teachers, fought with and threatened classmates and brought a backpack with bullets to school. He collected a string of discipline for profanity, disobedience, insubordination, and disruption.
In 2014, administrators transferred Cruz to an alternative school for children with emotional and behavioral disabilities — only to change course two years later and return him to a traditional neighborhood school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Cruz was banished from Douglas a year later for other disciplinary violations — then toggled between three other alternative placements, school records obtained by the Miami Herald show.
If the frequent transfers — records show there were six in three years — did little to stanch Cruz’s disruptive behavior, they eventually became the only option left in the school district’s toolbox. Contrary to early reports, Cruz was never expelled from Broward schools. Legally, he couldn’t be.
Under federal law, Nikolas Cruz had a right to a “free and appropriate” education at a public school near him. His classmates had a right to an education free of fear.
A "free and appropriate" education at a public school near him, regardless of his danger to others?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMeanwhile...
Parkland shooter always in trouble, never expelled. Could school system have done more?
February 20, 2018 07:59 PM
Updated 4 hours 47 minutes ago
At times, Nikolas Cruz’s behavior could be a school administrator’s nightmare: Teachers and other students said he kicked doors, cursed at teachers, fought with and threatened classmates and brought a backpack with bullets to school. He collected a string of discipline for profanity, disobedience, insubordination, and disruption.
In 2014, administrators transferred Cruz to an alternative school for children with emotional and behavioral disabilities — only to change course two years later and return him to a traditional neighborhood school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Cruz was banished from Douglas a year later for other disciplinary violations — then toggled between three other alternative placements, school records obtained by the Miami Herald show.
If the frequent transfers — records show there were six in three years — did little to stanch Cruz’s disruptive behavior, they eventually became the only option left in the school district’s toolbox. Contrary to early reports, Cruz was never expelled from Broward schools. Legally, he couldn’t be.
Under federal law, Nikolas Cruz had a right to a “free and appropriate” education at a public school near him. His classmates had a right to an education free of fear.
A "free and appropriate" education at a public school near him, regardless of his danger to others?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMeanwhile...
Parkland shooter always in trouble, never expelled. Could school system have done more?
February 20, 2018 07:59 PM
Updated 4 hours 47 minutes ago
At times, Nikolas Cruz’s behavior could be a school administrator’s nightmare: Teachers and other students said he kicked doors, cursed at teachers, fought with and threatened classmates and brought a backpack with bullets to school. He collected a string of discipline for profanity, disobedience, insubordination, and disruption.
In 2014, administrators transferred Cruz to an alternative school for children with emotional and behavioral disabilities — only to change course two years later and return him to a traditional neighborhood school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Cruz was banished from Douglas a year later for other disciplinary violations — then toggled between three other alternative placements, school records obtained by the Miami Herald show.
If the frequent transfers — records show there were six in three years — did little to stanch Cruz’s disruptive behavior, they eventually became the only option left in the school district’s toolbox. Contrary to early reports, Cruz was never expelled from Broward schools. Legally, he couldn’t be.
Under federal law, Nikolas Cruz had a right to a “free and appropriate” education at a public school near him. His classmates had a right to an education free of fear.
A "free and appropriate" education at a public school near him, regardless of his danger to others?
It's a lot harder BEFORE the trajedy, when you have a troubled kid, and you're trying to figure out how best to help her/him. If nothing s/he is doing crosses the line to "illegal," then what exactly do you do? Lock them up in case they might do something? Exile them from the education system because "it looks like you might someday do something to hurt someone?"
Perhaps a little less Monday-morning quarterbacking and a little more time spent looking at how a child, with his clear mental issues, managed to get his hands on firearms?
Or...of course... we can just continue to pontificate on how everyone else failed and second guess the whole thing. What the heck - while we're at it, why don't we join the chorus of claims that the kids speaking out about the situation are professional "crisis actors" bused in because they have good stage skills... sheesh...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostPerhaps a little less Monday-morning quarterbacking and a little more time spent looking at how a child, with his clear mental issues, managed to get his hands on firearms?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostEveryone can Monday-morning quarterback. It's easy. You just look backwards at all the "signs" and then the subsequent tragedy and wonder "how did no one know?"
It's a lot harder BEFORE the trajedy, when you have a troubled kid, and you're trying to figure out how best to help her/him. If nothing s/he is doing crosses the line to "illegal," then what exactly do you do? Lock them up in case they might do something? Exile them from the education system because "it looks like you might someday do something to hurt someone?"
Perhaps a little less Monday-morning quarterbacking and a little more time spent looking at how a child, with his clear mental issues, managed to get his hands on firearms?
Or...of course... we can just continue to pontificate on how everyone else failed and second guess the whole thing. What the heck - while we're at it, why don't we join the chorus of claims that the kids speaking out about the situation are professional "crisis actors" bused in because they have good stage skills... sheesh...
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd yet it is just fine for liberals to scream "gun control?"
And it cannot happen soon enough for me.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostThank you saint Carpe for your wise quarterbacking.Last edited by carpedm9587; 02-21-2018, 03:26 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostA CHILD?!?!?!?! SERIOUSLY!?!?!?
That does not excuse anything this young man did. It simply highlights the difficulty of predicting outcomes, and the ridiculous ease of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking."The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYes. A 19-year old is a man-child at best.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow - so they're of legal age to drink, they can go to war and fight, but they're a "child" when they murder people in cold blood, absolving them of personal responsibility. That's just sick.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostWait what? Where are you getting that he's absolving them of personal responsibility? I think you're getting a little carried away.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow - so they're of legal age to drink, they can go to war and fight, but they're a "child" when they murder people in cold blood, absolving them of personal responsibility. That's just sick.
And nobody absolved anyone of personal responsibility. The young man/child, or young man, or child (whatever you want to call him), killed multiple people and deserves the full weight of the law (and then some) thrown at him.
Understanding the flow of human development does not absolve people.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYes And not only liberals - us moderates too"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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