Florida School Shooting

[guacamole]

It called the Constitution...

Whelp, there you go. You and I both know that's an over-simplification, but the issue isn't one of persuasion at this point.

[Sparko]

This is curious....

The AR-15 was legally purchased by Cruz, Jim Lewis, an attorney representing the family he was living with, told The Sun Sentinel. "The family made him keep it in a locked gun cabinet in the house but he had a key," Lewis said.

The family (both parents are dead) made him keep the weapon locked up, but he had a key?

as usual NPR is just re-reporting a story from elsewhere:

The AR-15 used in the mass shooting was legally bought by Cruz, attorney Jim Lewis told the South Florida Sun Sentinel. Cruz already owned the gun when he moved in with his friend’s family in northwest Broward around Thanksgiving, Lewis said.
“It was his gun,” Lewis said. “The family made him keep it in a locked gun cabinet in the house but he had a key.”
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/br...214-story.html

Apparently after his mom died he moved in with a friend's family who made him lock up the gun. But I don't think they were making him lock it up to keep it away from him. Probably just to keep it away from any other kids in the house. Most people have a key to their own gun safe.

[guacamole]

No they don't 'get a pass.' We have more gun laws now than ever before, and we have more shootings than ever before. For instance, guns are illegal on school grounds.

That's a control control law only in the most stretched-to-bursting sense of the term.

Did that stop this guy? No. This guy was clearly nuts and everyone said he has been showing signs for a long time. He was even kicked out of the school. Nobody stepped in and did anything. It had nothing to do with gun laws. It had to do with this guy was crazy and needed intervention yet nobody did a damn thing until he went off and shot people.

He should have had his guns taken and his access to guns revoked. No doubt. However, if the guns were a touch harder to get, if there were fewer guns of class he used in circulation, he might have found it harder to commit a killing on this scale.

Gun laws only work on law-abiding sane citizens. That is what liberals fail to ever learn. No gun law will ever stop a criminal or an insane person from getting or using a gun illegally.

Gun laws only work on law-abiding sane citizens because it is sooooooooooooooo easy to get a gun. Even if a person with profound and dangerous mental illness can't get a gun legally in his state, that person can often simply hop into a car and drive elsewhere and get a gun where the laws are more lax.

I have no idea how this person got a gun, who gave it to him, and why. If we can't control for all the variables, sometimes it makes sense to try and control the supply.

fwiw,
guacamole

[guacamole]

This is curious....

The AR-15 was legally purchased by Cruz, Jim Lewis, an attorney representing the family he was living with, told The Sun Sentinel. "The family made him keep it in a locked gun cabinet in the house but he had a key," Lewis said.

The family (both parents are dead) made him keep the weapon locked up, but he had a key?

They might have been afraid to try and take it away from him, at that point.

[Cow Poke]

They might have been afraid to try and take it away from him, at that point.

If that's the case, he's obviously a problem, yes?

[One Bad Pig]

They should pass a law that says criminals can't use guns to commit crimes!

I think we should make the deterrent more shameful; the threat of prison is no longer sufficient. How about, for example, every so often, relatives of those injured or killed in attacks get a chance to urinate on the perpetrator?

[guacamole]

If that's the case, he's obviously a problem, yes?

yup

[Darth Executor]

He should have had his guns taken and his access to guns revoked. No doubt. However, if the guns were a touch harder to get, if there were fewer guns of class he used in circulation, he might have found it harder to commit a killing on this scale.

Thank you for providing an example of what I was talking about.

[Cow Poke]

If we can't control for all the variables, sometimes it makes sense to try and control the supply.

So, you're like that crazy teacher who can't control the classroom, and somebody shoots a spitwad at her, so she makes the whole class stay after school do extra homework.

[guacamole]

Thank you for providing an example of what I was talking about.

You were able to define something you don't like and then find an example of it. Good for you.

[guacamole]

So, you're like that crazy teacher who can't control the classroom, and somebody shoots a spitwad at her, so she makes the whole class stay after school do extra homework.

Yeah. That's totally what it's like. Except for things like, you know, murder.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah. That's totally what it's like. Except for things like, you know, murder.

We don't punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. Perhaps YOU want to live in that world, but not me.

Meanwhile - the students knew...

students knew.jpg

And...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/558329...ube-video-fbi/

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[Darth Executor]

You were able to define something you don't like and then find an example of it. Good for you.

I was able to define an insidious type of deception game progressives play and you were nice enough to provide me with an example.

[Cow Poke]

I was able to define an insidious type of deception game progressives play and you were nice enough to provide me with an example.

Like... why do we keep refusing to work the actual problem, and instead, simply use these crisis situations as an excuse to promote our agenda?

[guacamole]

We don't punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. Perhaps YOU want to live in that world, but not me.

You do live in that world and you do want to live in that world. We restrict access to a lot of dangerous things specifically to protect, rather than punish, the innocent.

fwiw,
guacamole