I lived about a mile from where the Sandy Hook shooting took place (years before the event) and I knew a woman whose son was in a class room near where the the shooting took place - he survived. One of the sad things is that we as a community (including our Tweb community) can not come together and grieve. We all go to our corners ready to fight, accuse and defend. I'm tired... Most of you know that I'm a big defender of gun rights, but for what it is worth, like back in the day when we banned machine guns because of the carnage they caused, I have come to believe that perhaps we should now ban all semi-automatics. Rifles and pistols. Bolt action rifles, revolvers and pump shot guns will remain fully legal. And perhaps we could grandfather in the semis that are privately owned, but going forward no new sales - privately or commercially.
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Originally posted by seer View PostI lived about a mile from where the Sandy Hook shooting took place (years before the event) and I knew a woman whose son was in a class room near where the the shooting took place - he survived. One of the sad things is that we as a community (including our Tweb community) can not come together and grieve. We all go to our corners ready to fight, accuse and defend. I'm tired... Most of you know that I'm a big defender of gun rights, but for what it is worth, like back in the day when we banned machine guns because of the carnage they caused, I have come to believe that perhaps we should now ban all semi-automatics. Rifles and pistols. Bolt action rifles, revolvers and pump shot guns will remain fully legal. And perhaps we could grandfather in the semis that are privately owned, but going forward no new sales - privately or commercially.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI have no idea if you're being sincere (I suspect you are, but...), but where I have seen this discussed, there's always the reference to prohibition. When we tried to control the sale and use of alcohol, all that did was create and/or embolden new crime syndicates, underground manufacturing and sales, and death. My son-in-law (as many of you know) is commander of a multi-jurisdictional rapid response team, and the most dangerous situation they get into is when they work with ATF in raiding a place that deals in illegal firearms. One of our closest friends was killed in such a raid, attempting to serve a warrant.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI am serious, but the fact is CP we have done a pretty good job of keeping fully auto firearms out of the hands of the general population. There will always be criminals - of course law enforcement will still have access to semi-automatics.
I have to admit, however, that there's very little practical difference between fully auto and semi auto in the human tolls they can take in the hands of a practiced individual.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI have no idea if you're being sincere (I suspect you are, but...), but where I have seen this discussed, there's always the reference to prohibition. When we tried to control the sale and use of alcohol, all that did was create and/or embolden new crime syndicates, underground manufacturing and sales, and death. My son-in-law (as many of you know) is commander of a multi-jurisdictional rapid response team, and the most dangerous situation they get into is when they work with ATF in raiding a place that deals in illegal firearms. One of our closest friends was killed in such a raid, attempting to serve a warrant.
It is also worth remembering that, for the various problems it caused, prohibition did decrease alcohol consumption. It accomplished, at least to a certain extent, what it was supposed to do.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI'm not sure prohibition is a good analogy. The reason the crime syndicates and all that were able to rise to such power was because alcohol was strongly in demand; the number of people who buy semiautomatic guns is minute compared to the number of people who buy alcohol.
It is also worth remembering that, for the various problems it caused, prohibition did decrease alcohol consumption. It accomplished, at least to a certain extent, what it was supposed to do.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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(I’m not trolling or suggesting gun grabbing in this instance)
Perhaps the solution is a long term one. Ban the sale of semi-automatics, both commercially, as well as through gun shows and through private sales.
They will obviously still be out there from the sales up until this point, but when the owner has passed on, they then have to be passed on to the relevant authorities.
Naturally this has to be across all states, and it won’t fix any problems here & now, but perhaps it’s a solution which will come to fruition in our kids or grandkids lives as our generation inevitably dies off. As people have mentioned elsewhere, forcibly removing them now is a non-starter.
But then this depends upon proper enforcement- something which thus far has been severely lacking and unpunished (I still don’t get that).
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostHow will you confiscate these guns without using such guns?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI have come to believe that perhaps we should now ban all semi-automatics.My Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/-/e/B0719RS8BK
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMinute? Even if that's true, I didn't claim it was proportional - just similar.
Criminals would acquire these death machines at the same rate, whether legal or banned.
Originally posted by Cow PokeBut ultimately it failed. Miserably.
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I say no as well..Getting tired and giving in is part of the game plan... (no I'm NOT suggesting the shootings are part of some nefarious plot to get guns banned...)but, I don't think this would make a difference TBH. It can't and won't stop here. After you implement this ban on sales of semi's...they will come up with a way around it. 10 - 12 round revolvers will become norm...and what about quick revolver loaders? Also, many pump shot guns already hold 5 - 7 shells...the damage from a 7 shot shotgun into a crowd is horrifying. Couple that with a couple of revolvers and you have carnage. Are you going to allow pump rifles? How about lever action rifles? Do you realize that most "assault" style shotguns are pump? That there's not tactical advantage to a semi-auto shotgun over a pump? And Lever action rifles? See the Clip from The Rifleman Intro!
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Originally posted by seer View PostI lived about a mile from where the Sandy Hook shooting took place (years before the event) and I knew a woman whose son was in a class room near where the the shooting took place - he survived. One of the sad things is that we as a community (including our Tweb community) can not come together and grieve. We all go to our corners ready to fight, accuse and defend. I'm tired... Most of you know that I'm a big defender of gun rights, but for what it is worth, like back in the day when we banned machine guns because of the carnage they caused, I have come to believe that perhaps we should now ban all semi-automatics. Rifles and pistols. Bolt action rifles, revolvers and pump shot guns will remain fully legal. And perhaps we could grandfather in the semis that are privately owned, but going forward no new sales - privately or commercially."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by whag View PostCP, I don’t see it as similar, at all, except at the most minimal level because both entail bannings.
Your response to seer presumes that banning the sale of these mechanisms that chew through flesh and bone at a very fast rate will inhibit the public’s ability to return fire with a similar device and come out the hero.
Criminals would acquire these death machines at the same rate, whether legal or banned.
Just curious if you feel the same way about cannabis or other non-alcoholic drugs.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut ultimately it failed. Miserably.
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